Going Over Old Ground - Don't Read If You Are Of A Certain Persuasion

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  1. tyr

    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    What is the relevance of this. In fact it completely Contradicts your view point
     
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    The loss is the deficit of income compared to the clubs expenditure. I'm afraid there is no voodoo or dark magic involved and 'empty seats' have no impact. With regard to showing a business running at a loss, BFC has significant corporation tax losses brought forward as at May 2016. How these will be reflected against the results for 2017 which includes transfer income will be interesting.
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    Don't understand this.
     
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    BFC Dave Well-Known Member

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    You're not investing, you're purchasing access to a bit of plastic you can park your arse on 23 times a season to watch a game of football. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
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  5. tyr

    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    People. Deserve to be treat as customers. Not just as person who will turnip no matter what
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    Football fans are treated as the latter. They probably do think we're a bunch of turnips.
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    And while ever people. Say I don't want to be treat as a customer. They will continue to do so
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    You're missing the point. If I see myself as a customer of BFC and, for whatever reason, I am not happy with their "product" I will take my "custom" elsewhere. As a supporter I will not. If I stop being a supporter and start being a customer I'm off to Huddersfield or Bradford as it's either a better "product" and/or cheaper.
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    No you'll just stop going. You are missing the point. Deliberately I think
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    Can't agree Dave. You're purchasing, in the main, the "product" on the pitch. It's like going to a gig and saying the ticket price gets you entrance into a venue - not to see a performance.
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    Did you stop going during the nine match losing run under Johnno?
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    Almost
     
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    But that is exactly what I am saying. The product is the football match which you watch from the piece of plastic.

    It is the purchase of a product not an investment. You have the same rights as if you went to a concert. If you didn't like the gig then complain and watch another band. I've now got on my tin hat as cover against the 'yer can't change yer team' comments. That I can understand as there is an emotional investment but you don't actually pay for the emotional investment with your £300. You pay for the product, a football match.
     
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    So no. Because you are a supporter.

    If you were a customer you would have gone elsewhere.

    4,000 people watched Leyton Orient lose 18 home games out of 23. If you took your "custom" to any other establishment in the country you wouldn't put up with 18 bad experiences. However, supporters will.
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    How many will go next season
     
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    I'm glad someone else replied to the "empty seats" bit. It had me wondering if I could try and offset my customers that didn't have any work done this year, against my taxable income!

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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    You don't pay for the emotional investment - but that's what keeps us coming back year after year. Like I'm trying to explain to Tyrone, if we were customers rather than supporters and not emotionally invested - 90% of us would have packed in back in October/November 2015.

    With your £300 which you pay to the club, you believe (hope!) they will invest the money to improve the product on the pitch. So the supporter is hoping the club spend his/her money wisely.

    If I go into Teco and do a weekly shop, as long as they treat the staff well I don't give a **** what they do with the money. If Tesco goes bust I'll shop at Asda*. If BFC go bust I won't find another football club.


    * I shop at M&S.
     
    Conan Troutman, May 3, 2017
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    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    I would imagine a similar number.
     
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    tyrone1 Banned Idiot

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    Doubt it, plenty will choose to go over the road to watch the neighbours
     
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    Ah but you have to eat, you don't have to watch football.

    I actually agree with both of you.

    In my opinion you are a customer of an organisation that has an in-elasticity of supply. There's only one BFC you can't browse the market for a replacement BFC. There is also a massive level of emotional investment and belonging which means you have a feeling of 'brand loyalty' of which Asda can only dream. You are a supporter.

    Err please don't kill me for 'brand loyalty'.

    And you are right that the club makes investments with the money you have spent with them to buy their product. :)
     
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