Is it possible

Allright mistakes have been made by the board,managers and players but the club has done what it set out to do and avoided relegation.In general its getting harder for promoted clubs to survive in all leagues.Hopefully we will learn from our mistakes and improve on this never ending roller coaster ride.C.O.Y.R.

 

I agree with everything you have put, but just to be Devils advocate , what is definition of experienced, are our players not now experienced having played a full season in Championship?

 

What makes you feel they are not for sale?

 

Never said they weren't? In fact never mentioned keeping or selling so not sure how you came to that conclusion?

 

We are awaiting the decisions regarding Sheffield Wednesday and Derby, but those two clubs overspent against the generous FFP allowances. Wigan have been relegated for putting themselves into Administration through overspending. In my opinion, they should all be dealt with most harshly. It is supposed to be a level playing field, and as long as clubs cheat, it will not be.

How much do you believe Barnsley should borrow in order to finance the lifestyle that you want? Should the club place itself in the same dire circumstances as Wigan, or should it go all out to break the bank as Wednesday has done. Exactly how much should the club borrow in order to chase your dream. The dream of someone who is prepared to withdraw his support if he does not get what he wants. I asked last week how much others were willing to pay for their season ticket as their share of the increased costs of chasing the dream. It is fair to say that the idea of doubling season ticket prices was not overly well supported. It is always far easier to spend someone else's money than your own.

The owners are not asset strippers. They do not take huge sums out of the business, which is what asset strippers do. They run the business sensibly and according to the business plan and the policies that they laid down when they took over. That business plan has been there all the time. You have just imposed your own plan over the top of it, and then criticised the owners for not adopting your plan. They are not going to do what you describe, and you can have a much easier decision about your future support if you do not expect them to do something that they have specifically excluded.

 

I took your post to mean that the players now one-year-experienced in the Championship would be a viable alternative to signing 'experience', which would have been a plausible point, had that been your intention. But it would depend on the owners not cashing in on them, which was my point.

 

Bang on.

 

Spurious points, with respect. I do not have a 'dream'. I am just looking for stability in the Championship, which Conway stated as the club's aim. You are now re-peddling your arguments - which were debunked by Sheriff last weekend - on the back of what can only be described as a lucky survival. That is not in any way derogatory of the efforts of the players or the Head Coach, which have been immense. Those efforts were in the face of the owners undermining the squad last Summer.

 

I was asking what is definition of experienced, in response to Donny Reds post about needing experience and youth and was interested to hear others opinions.
Me personally I dont think the current squad is what I would call experienced enough, I would like to see at least one or two with a bit more experience.
Having said that I am sure some would have jumped at the chance of a couple of players with 30-40 games experience in Championship last Summer.

 

My thoughts down to a tee.

 

Having stayed up, having a young squad on long contracts, you would think now would be the time to kick on to ensure stability, this Summer is a real acid test of their intentions I would feel.
They really should be able to please almost everyone with sensible recruitment and spend.

 

I would be saying the same things had we gone down. The board have been consistent with their statement of policy. You don't agree with the policy. You are not willing to spend your money on a season ticket if you do not agree with the policy. Fine. Don't spend your money, but do not expect me to agree with you.

 

Ideally identify two or three players over the age of 26 with previous experience in the Championship.
As a result of cash shortages due to the Covid 19 pandemic I think it's quite likely that there are a few
more clubs who are forced into receivership and will therefore be compelled to sell their high earners and
other members of their squad.

Rumours abound that the Wigan receiver has already a bid of £2 million for Keiffer Moore from Millwall and they are
preparing to offload three or four others e.g. Sam Morsy , Joe Williams etc. I feel the market will be awash
with British players who could be prepared to lower their wage demands to make sure they've got a Club
to play for. We surely must be able to do deals to secure a certain level of experience.?

 

In my view due to what looks to be some questionable dealings of the new owners of Wigan they are in line
for a points deduction and but for that, we would have been down.

We need our Board to heed the lessons that this season has provided and at least pledge that in the future
the errors of the past over slavishly sticking to their current recruitment policy will be learned and that we have
a mixture of young future saleable players and a number of other more " senior" players with experience gained
through being involved in the EFL with their previous Clubs.

 

I totally agree.

As Gregor Robertson said in yesterday's Times: "The Austrian replaced Daniel Stendel in November, doubled their points per game ratio, shored up the defence, and his young team have been a joy to watch at times leaving many to wonder how on earth they were down there. If Struber can persuade the club’s owners to bend their recruitment model just a little, to add some experience to a squad filled with callow but undoubted talent, then Barnsley should not have to endure another campaign like this one next season."

I think that's all a lot of us are asking for, despite others throwing up red herrings about posters wanting to 'bet the farm' on a transfer spree. It does of course depend on retention, not just recruitment. Austerity didn't work in politics and it doesn't work in the Championship.

 

Our owners have a fully costed plan. In order to convert your wish list into a plan, you have to cost it. You have to say how much you want to spend on transfer fees, you have to say how much that will increase our payroll by and you have to tell us where that money is coming from. If you do not do that, you do not have a plan. You have a wish list, a wish list that you are prepared to withdraw your financial support in order to see through.

So let us look at this from a different direction. Let us pretend that we own the club. Let us pretend that your wish list will cost £2m per season. Let us assume that if you do not get what you want, you are going to withhold your season ticket money, say £350. Is that a difficult decision for an owner? Let me see £2m v £350.

I am sure that you will claim that the investment of £2m will save the loss of £6m in lost Championship revenue, but does it? Frankly, £2m is a drop in the ocean as compared to the investment of most Championship club owners. If you look at the spending of the 3 relegated clubs, all would have exceeded that figure in losses this season. That figure would not have saved them, and neither would it have saved us. Our owner knows that cash alone is not the answer. It is far better to have a smart plan and smart people behind the scenes than it is to just spend, spend, spend.

If you are so sure that you are right, that your plan is a good one, then try answering some of my questions. Try putting yourself in their position. Try putting more of your own money in. Until you do those things, it is all just hot air.

 

When Patrick ran the club he described himself as “custodian” of the club. When things got a little stretched he would put his hand in his pocket and sort it. I don’t see the current owners as custodians. If the club gets a little stretched with this lot I fear they will do what the Wigan owners have done.

 

Sheriff replied to you with a lengthy post and you totally ignored it. Why? Aren't you being a tad hypocritical with your last paragraph here? As I've repeated previously, it is crystal clear that you are not interested in debate at all.

The minute someone offers a reasonable counter argument you suddenly disappear. It is embarrassing and disrespectful to your fellow posters. So why would anyone wish to spend their time outlining their view when you simply ignore it, presumably because your opinion is more important?

 

You've got to be careful in throwing about the term "experienced". Where would that have left the selection of Styles?

He'd played 200 mins of Championship football before those 4 starts in which he look liked he'd played there for much longer.

Sollbauer had loads of experience but some on here said that because he was Austrian he'd flounder as it wasn't Championship based.

What you need is ability first. Without that experience counts for much less.

 

Having being forged in that relegation battle they'll be far, far stronger this season.