Leaving Neverland

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  1. Sup

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    He didn't have photos of boys in sexual poses. They were specifically none sexual which is why they were legal to own as opposed to sexual poses which are illegal.

    The prosecution actually changed witness statements to suit their case. For example Tom Shedding the prosecuter talked about Michael Jackson's erection when Jordy Chandler had actually referred to his circumcision in his statement. A crucial difference because one was instantly proven to be incorrect whilst the other couldn't be. He repeatedly referred to the dark spot on his penis whilst Jordy had written in his statement about the light spot (or the other way round) which makes a huge difference as one means the description is fairly accurate the other means it is wildly inaccurate. A dark skinned penis can't have a dark patch.

    Jordy chandler's description of Michael Jackson's penis (who h he claimed to have physically masturbated himself many times) was a dark skinned penis circumcised penis with a light patch. The reality was a light skinned uncircumcised penis. I honestly cannot think of any way hehe cou have been more wrong if he had tried. I also cannot see how anyone on the planet can masturbate a none circumcised man and not notice that fact.

    Once you take that into account and realise that the person making the allegation couldn't possibly have seen the defendants penis then the only conclusion you can come to is a not guilty verdict and anyone elses guesses or allegations are irrelevant in that trial.
     
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    TitusMagee Well-Known Member

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    So if some bloke shoots up a school then turns a gun on himself, is it out of order to call him a murderer because he hasn't faced trial?

    I can see why people have issues with accusing the dead, but like everything the evidence has to be weighed up and people are entitled to make up their own minds.

    Jimmy Savile was clearly a horrible bloke and he doesn't deserve history to paint him as a decent, charitable man.
     
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    This. Go on any Safeguarding course, and look at what is described as abuse.
    An adult in a position of authority, taking a child into their bed ticks all the boxes. If it were a teacher in school, they'd never get a job again. Why should a pop star be different. Total abuse of power.
     
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    Jimmy Saville wasn't found not guilty during his lifetime.

    It's not a choice or comparison between a jingle jangle DJ from Leeds and a global superstar.

    Nor a choice between who's evil or predatory.

    It's not a matter of what I believe.

    There's no choice to be made.
     
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    Absolutely no chance of me replying to this other than I disagree.
     
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    It's more the case that the rich can buy their own justice by hiring expensive lawyers who frighten the judiciary by virtue of knowing more about the law than those who are dispensing it do.
     
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    This is a Michael Jackson thread. He wasn't dead when acquitted.
     
  8. TitusMagee

    TitusMagee Well-Known Member

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    Well aware of that thanks, given that I created it.

    I was responding to your wider question. Plus he was long dead when these new allegations came to light.
     
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    Well isn't that convenient for those who now seek to claim millions from his estate.

    Plus how can they be new allegations?

    It's not as though they've been suddenly found.

    It's that they've suddenly decided to make them.

    (I don't know why I'm blathering on about Michael Jackson btw - he went down hill after "Ben")
     
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    We’ll just have to agree to disagree, for me nothing on this earth would convince that it’s normal (childlike or not) that it’s normal for a bloke of his age would want to sleep with a young child and I’m convinced if we were talking about your average bloke on the street you would be screaming along with the rest of us that this bloke should be arrested,
     
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    They are allegations that have been made since he has died. Countless people report abuse decades afterwards. It isnt like a burglary you just neglected to report.

    It takes courage and a degree of mental resilience to come forward. Who knows whether they are telling the truth or not, you have your opinion and I have mine. That's completely fine.
     
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    I don't think anyone has ever said it's normal. I think what has been said is that it doesn't automatically mean sex. Unless every parent on the planet is a paedophile who molests their kid
     
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    Eh? What’s parents got to do with owt?
     
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    Well if they removed the claim from the Jackson estate that'd be fine too. Then a purer truth would perhaps emerge.
     
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    Isn't it extremely common for parents to have their children sleep in their bed?
     
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    Aww c’mon mate I class you as one of the better posters on here , never in a million years did I even think about parents with their kids and I think you know that, I’m talking about someone who you barely know that asks if it’s ok if your 7 year old stays with him and sleeps in the same bed.
     
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    I can't honestly believe some of the comments on this thread, but once again from repeat offenders. Arguing for the sheer sake of it.

    He's not even a blood relative ffs. If you have kids would you have let them share a bed with a 40 year old? No.... so why argue the toss over it?

    Ridiculous.
     
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    Oh I know you weren't making a link but that was kind of my point. Parents do it all the time and it's perfectly natural and an innocent act. Whilst I agree it's extremely strange for an adult to want to do that with children it doesn't automatically make it sexual, the parent thing was just proof that there are other reasons why some would. That doesn't mean it's NOT sexual though, just that it isn't automatically
     
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    Its a bit like saying parents bath their children every night and its innocent, so why cant a random bloke do it? May not be sexual after all.

    Like i said, utterly pointless and irrelevant statement purely for the sake of arguing.
     
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    Genuine question mate...even tho you’ve proved your point that there’s innocent reasons. Would you have let your kids do it?
     

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