Leaving Neverland

Not in a million years, not without a genuine reason for it anyway and by genuine reason I mean there was only one bed, they arrived back late from somewhere and it was a case of needs must or the child was scared etc the sort of reasons that would explain the need to. But no simply because someone WANTED to no I wouldn't.

 

Off topic slightly...I remember my lad asking if he could stop at his mates, we let him but made the schoolboy error of not checking with said mates parents, his mate had told his parents he was stopping at ours and they never checked with us....both of the little twa.. lads ended up in Skeggy for the night with a couple of older lads who could drive, he was 13 at the time....needless to say we never fell for that again.

 

MJ’s obsession with children & the way he manipulated the parents of said children is not normal or healthy.
Ultimately we will never know what went on behind closed doors, but weighing up the years worth of evidence available, anybody with a bit of common sense surely believes the alleged victims.
All this ******** about MJ having no childhood etc is no excuse. What we know he did (having sleepovers etc) is just not right, and there is no way anyone can dress it up.

 

I bet you fell for the next one though.

Like me and the spouse have.

 

Oh aye, its always a battle who could stay one step ahead

 

Not had chance to watch it yet but just taken this from Facebook.

When Michael Jackson died in 2009, Wade Robson—the former choreographer whose allegations of abuse are at the center of a controversial new documentary, Leaving Neverland—wrote in tribute to his friend:

“Michael Jackson changed the world and, more personally, my life forever. He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of humankind. He has been a close friend of mine for 20 years. His music, his movement, his personal words of inspiration and encouragement and his unconditional love will live inside of me forever. I will miss him immeasurably, but I know that he is now at peace and enchanting the heavens with a melody and a moonwalk.”

Robson was twenty-seven years old at the time. Four years earlier, he testified at Jackson’s 2005 trial (as an adult) that nothing sexual ever happened between them. Prior to the trial Robson hadn’t seen Jackson for years and was under no obligation to be a witness for the defense. He faced a withering cross-examination, understanding the penalty of perjury for lying under oath. But Robson adamantly, confidently, and credibly asserted that nothing sexual ever happened.

What changed between then and now? A few things:

- In 2011, Robson approached John Branca, co-executor of the Michael Jackson Estate, about directing the new Michael Jackson/Cirque du Soleil production, ONE. Robson admitted he wanted the job “badly,” but the Estate ultimately chose someone else for the position.

- In 2012, Robson had a nervous breakdown, triggered, he said, by an obsessive quest for success. His career, in his own words, began to “crumble.”

- That same year, with Robson’s career, finances, and marriage in peril, he began shopping a book that claimed he was sexually abused by Michael Jackson. No publisher picked it up.

- In 2013, Robson filed a $1.5 billion dollar civil lawsuit/creditor’s claim, along with James Safechuck, who also spent time with Jackson in the late ‘80s. Safechuck claimed he only realized he may have been abused when Robson filed his lawsuit. That lawsuit was dismissed by a probate court in 2017.

- In 2019, the Sundance Film Festival premiered a documentary based entirely on Robson and Safechuck’s allegations. While the documentary is obviously emotionally disturbing given the content, it presents no new evidence or witnesses. The film’s director, Dan Reed, acknowledged not wanting to interview other key figures because it might complicate or compromise the story he wanted to tell.

It is tempting for the media to tie Jackson into a larger cultural narrative about sexual misconduct. R. Kelly was rightfully taken down by a documentary, and many other high-profile figures have been exposed in recent years, so surely, the logic goes, Michael Jackson must be guilty as well.

The media seem to have forgotten: no allegations have been more publicly scrutinized than those against Michael Jackson. They elicited a two-year feeding frenzy in the mid-90s and then again in the mid-2000s, when Jackson faced an exhaustive criminal trial. His homes were ransacked in two unannounced raids by law enforcement. Nothing incriminating was found. Jackson was acquitted of all charges in 2005 by a conservative Santa Maria jury. The FBI, likewise, conducted a thorough investigation. Its 300-page file on the pop star, released under the Freedom of Information Act, found no evidence of wrongdoing.

The allegations surrounding Jackson largely faded over the past decade for a reason: unlike the Bill Cosby or R. Kelly cases, the more people looked into the Jackson allegations, the more the evidence vindicated him. In Robson’s case, decades after the alleged incidents took place, he was barbecuing with Michael Jackson and his children. He was asking for tickets to the artist’s memorial. He was participating in tributes. “I still have my mobile phone with his number in it,” Robson wrote in 2009, “I just can’t bear the thought of deleting his messages.”

Then, suddenly, after twenty years, his story changed and with his new claims came a $1.5 billion dollar lawsuit.

In contrast to Robson and Safechuck’s revised accounts, there is a remarkable consistency to the way people who knew the artist speak of him—whether friends, family members, collaborators, fellow artists, recording engineers, attorneys, business associates, security guards, former spouses, his own children—people who knew him in every capacity imaginable. Michael, they say, was gentle, brilliant, sensitive, sometimes naive, sometimes childish, sometimes oblivious to perceptions. But none believe he was a child molester.

- Forbes Magazine

 

Thing is though Ian would you feel comfortable letting your 7 year old sleep in the same bed as Michael Jackson?

 

Morning Roy. Definitely not, got 2 lads and 2 lasses and no matter what was offered they would be safely tucked up in their own beds.

Like I said not had chance to watch it yet but read a couple of snippets and it doesn't sit well with me. Their parents definitely need investigating over the claims that have been made.

 

I definitely agree regarding parents mate, Christ knows why any parent would let there kids stay with a stranger especially in the same bed....unless of course said kids told em they were staying at their mates

 

But what normal 7 year old would say that, and what type of parents would take the word of a 7 year old without checking

 

To be fair my lad was 15.....I thought he was 13 but he sssured me he was 15 when he stitched me up.

 

Michael Jackson lets 7 year old kids sleep in his bed - "ah he had a rough childhood, he's just a kid who never grew up"

Steve from Wombwell lets 7 year old kids sleep in his bed - "string him up, the nonce should be hung"

Just cos Billie Jean is an absolute banger doesn't mean you look past the facts in the case.

 

Don't know whether to laugh or cry at that lol

 

True story Ian, the little shits did us good un proper

 

Watched the second part last night with my wife. After the first programme, she was
100% convinced that MJ did carry out the assaults described by the two guys making
the accusations. I have to admit, having seen the counter claims posted by YTBFC on the BBS, I
am really torn. The events so graphically described by both, bore similarities, but it
concerned me that after having their claims rejected previously in court, this programme was
made many years after the events had allegedly taken place. One thing I am certain of, is that
both sets of parents were negligible in their duty of care. There's no way that they should have consented to allowing
their sons sleep in the same bed as MJ. It came over, that they were as star struck as their kids
were at having the "honour " of getting so close to their Music legend. If really pushed, despite the
previous lies and denials ( given under duress), on balance, because of MJ's need to want to sleep
with minors was ill advised, unhealthy and unnatural , if push came to shove, I would probably
have to concur , that Michael Jackson carried out the assaults that were described in the programme.

 

If only Bubbles could speak...

 

Looks very much as though certain areas of media/ entertainment industry have made their minds
up regarding MJ's culpability in the grooming/abuse of minors. Music lovers are beginning
to erase his songs from their iPlayers , whilst some major radio stations have banned Jacksons
music from being played. An episode of the Simpsons featuring his voice has been pulled from streaming services
and TV Producers James I. Brooks, Matt Groening and Al Jean were in full agreement to axe
the 1991 episode " Stark Raving Dad", which saw Jackson voice the role of mental patient Leon Kompowsky.
In contrast to these developments, following the publicity around " Leaving Neverland", Jackson
has climbed the Apple Music charts.! He was cleared of molestation involving a 13 year old in 2005
having previously paid a not inconsiderable amount of money to buy the silence of another families
13 year old son, in 1994. The year previous to that, his own Sister La Toyah, accused him of preying
on young boys during an MTV interview, only to retract her statement some time later.

 

"I'm Forever Blowing Bubbles " was the B-side to Beat It