Loyalty and Enthusiasm

So an option to extend is absolutely nothing different to a normal contract? Even though I've shown documented proof of the legally binding aspect to them?

 

I would imagine if it were ever contested in a Court of law on its own merit it would be thrown out,
As has been said your example had mitigating circumstances added to it .
If a player is offered quadruple wages elsewhere and a club triggered a clause to keep him there on original wages how far do you think it would go.
PFA would be on strike in a heartbeat.
All this is because we promise players if they come here and do well and a offer comes in well honour our end of the bargain and although it is dissapointing to say the least most fans accept that it's the way of football and were making the most of a bad hand.
Others think we can almost make them ( slaves) stay

 

The legalities of an option to extend are irrelevant. If it effectively makes it a 4 or 5 year deal they aren't going to sign it.

 

It didn't have mitigating circumstances relating to the fact that he had signed a contract that had an automatic extension included. The mitigating circumstances were solely related to the club dropping a cancer patient.

In history of football how many players do you recall going to court to have their contract voided simply because they changed their mind?

 

You are arguing two totally different things.

"A player will not sign a contract with an option to extend"

"An option to extend can be broken is just a normal contract and doesn't mean anything"

Two totally different things

 

Bosman?

 

Can somebody please tell me who actually has the final say on the purse strings at Oakwell and possible realistic transfer targets.Listen I'm all for developing young hungry talent but we are a championship club not second division. I'm getting sick and tired of the club playing the hard up tale and can't afford to lay some cash out for a couple of half decent forwards.WE HAVE TO BE COMPETATIVE !

 

I'm not arguing your point on the legalities. I'm not a lawyer. What I'm saying is that no player of quality will sign a deal that ties him to us for 5 years.

 

Course we have to be competitive.
It's how we go about acquiring the staff to be competitive that these threads are all about.
Do you think we should compete for players with the wages of Villa etc? Or the transfer fees of Wolves etc? Or the parachute payments of loads of other clubs?
In my humble opinion it's better to employ young hungry players with a promise that if a big club comes calling they'll be free to go on a mutual understanding of recompense .
This not only gets the club good revenue but enables us to get talent that would never normally consider looking at us (Ashley Fletcher etc) as a stepping stone until hopefully a time when they consider us as a potential for promo etc and maybe re sign .

 

None of these examples are us because it's hard to show examples of things we don't do but here are some

Adrian at West ham. 3 year contract with option to extend for ,2 years

Jota at Brentford. Signed a 3 year deal with option to extend for a 4th year.

Danny ward at Rotherham. 2.5 year with option for extension to 3.5 years

Ryan Bennett at Norwich. 3 year contract with option of 4th

Johnathon Smith at Luton town. 3 year deal option to extend for 4

It's not unheard of

 

I think you mean the only say!

 

Agree to be fair JC, and you only have to look around to see signing announcements stating something about the option being present. From what I gather about extensions in the club's favour, where they want to retain the player, the club has to offer "a substantial pay rise" (quite what that is defined as I have no idea) to make it legally binding. I wonder if that's where we have/may struggle, although if we can stay in the Championship next year, even I'd like to think we'd consider a slightly more speculative approach to contracts, wages etc in the future. I tend to think that this is what Hecky is hinting at in his recent comments.

I've never hidden my view that I think protecting the club financially is top priority (2002 being the watershed for me), but trying to move forwards without speculating to a degree will be difficult and I completely accept that from a pure football supporter perspective it will become tiresome if survival is our only aspiration.

That said, like Brentford, Huddersfield to a point, I think the progress or speculation needs to be looked at over say another 2 or 3 years, when hopefully we would have a budget for both the team and the running of the club and stadium based on successive year on year championship income streams, which along with transfer revenues already received and perhaps more to come, if not at the same amount, would perhaps give us a bit more confidence to spend on the team,wages etc without creating the same financial risk to "the club" that has existed up to present.

 

I am reasonably confident that the long term aim of the club is to move forward to next level signings. My concern is that this may be put back if we get relegated this season. It's a very delicate balancing act for the club between financial prudence and on the field success and thank god I don't have to try and walk that tight rope. I will never criticise the club for what they are trying to do. It's the right approach. The only approach. I may get frustrated at times and express that frustration but that's just normal.

I get more frustrated by the everything's great/everything's ***** split. It's neither one nor the other. It is what it is. Sometimes great. Sometimes not.


Onwards and upwards.


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Literally no player ever will sign a 5 year contract. No one. Not ever.


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You do set yourself up for these things.

 

Assume he means at a club with a wage ceiling of £5k and not one or the biggest clubs in the world with a Russian millionaire that can throw millions at contracts

 

I think it was no one. I don't recall any caveats.


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You don't recall any because there wasn't any.

By all means compare our contracts to that of the premier league champions with infinite money if you feel it makes your point.

However, we all know it's an utterly useless point.

 

Everything is relative. In comparison to Torquay we live on a different financial planet. It's not a difficult concept to understand. I have a 5 year old who might be willing to draw you a diagram. If we approached a Chester Player tomorrow offering a 5 year contract for say 10 times their current wage do you genuinely believe they would turn it down?

Not that it's my argument and I would not feel it beneficial for either club or player to enter into such lengthy agreements. I'm old enough in the tooth to remember Bristol City almost going bankrupt after giving players 10 year contracts. But it clearly untrue to say that players would never enter into such agreements.


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Didn't we just sell a player to Birnighan because he wanted a five year contract and we wouldn't give him one , sure I read that somewhere