Michael Carrick

Bit of research needed here, I think...

 

So you think all people who work in a factory are depressed?
It is perfectly possible to dislike your job and not be depressed.

 

I've got 8k sat in my bank...

I'm still suffering from severe depression and anxiety ,plus bipolar

 

Money isn't everything

 

Part of the process is understanding. It looks like you’re on the way to getting better. However if you need to talk or anything, I don’t know you, but please get in touch. Don’t suffer in silence mate.

 

I don't know if I'm getting better, but I am getting the help I need

 

My ex was highly talented, one of the best Chartered Accountants you could find, a Managing Director and earning a lot of money. Depression nearly destroyed her. I had to watch, helpless as she crumpled into a broken mess. Whether Carrick has it or not is irrelevant, the disease is horrible and is no respecter of job, intelligence or anything else.

 

Must admit I'm inclined to agree with Conan and Fitzy on this one. Of course people shouldn't hide their struggle, but part of me wonders if this is the press just publishing another in vogue story about a star with a mental health issue? Not wishing to trivialise mental health issues in any way of course.

 

It's helping to break down stigma... the more people find it acceptable to be open the better. Half the battle for many is feeling weak and guilty for feeling that way.

 

I think we're all prone to rumination at some point(s) in our lives. I've had three points in my life where I would say I was "depressed" but I didn't have depression. The first two were the death of a Grandparent and leaving university. I was very down but I wasn't depressed and time was the healer. The third time was when I was made redundant, and I was also suffering from stress at this time, but I got a new job and the problem was solved. I think Carrick's situation was similar to this.

The way I interpret depression is where there might be no obvious cause and no obvious solution so it doesn't matter if you're married or single, rich or poor etc. I also think it requires treatment of some type and time will not heal.

This could be an interesting thread if we all respect each other's opinion.

 

Yeah you're right, it can often have no obvious trigger. It's a bit like when someone loses a relative and they struggle to get over that for a few months.... that is completely natural and is part of grief. We shouldn't medicalise it and GPs shouldnt be so quick to prescribe antidepressants.

Part of our referrals though asks whether someone is low in mood and asks for any triggers... depression can be with or without any triggers.

I've battled anxiety and depression for all my adult life and much of my childhood- over 25 years in total. At some points there has been clear triggers, at others I've had everything I wanted... wife, child, big house etc... and felt incredibly low. It's an awful illness and it has no rhyme nor reason.

 

I think this what people who don't have depression can't understand. I can't understand it. I can empathise but I think unless you've been there you can't really understand and that's why people dismiss it. Which is wrong of course. The human brain is a complex thing

The fact it has no rhyme or reason makes the situation all the more desperate.

I don't think people who are just very down should claim they are depressed. This is an insult to people who do have depression imo.

 

Funny thing about it is you can display the symptoms without realising it.

I had several anxiety attacks, well spaced over a few years, and before that, I used to feel an urge to punch people in the face when I was talking to them (yeah seriously) although I never did. Later looked this up and they're traits of anxiety sufferers.

I went on a lads holiday and by the Wednesday I had become so withdrawn I didn't leave my room. They put it down to being beer bad, but I knew there was something else, but didn't know what it was. I basically came back from benidorm with depression!

Its only now that I can look back on those warning signs and they make more sense than they did at the time.

It's really a strange thing because I'm generally a chatty, happy bloke that likes company, but I still have issues with certain situations, that I am working through.

 

I agree to some extent but i dont think Michael Carrick is likely to have just been very down IMO.... clubs have doctors and psychologists monitoring them etc.

It does help my practice having lived experience, but i still dont obviously know how it feels for them, i can just try to empathise with them.

 

It's a long slog but worth it in the end, hang in there . I'll probably battle my demons for the rest of my life and that's coming from someone who does therapy for a living. It's getting easier though...

 

Yeah, I like to compare then and now to gauge the improvement. I've done the hard yards with it and am in a better place to sympathise and help others.

 

Maybe more could be done to educate those close to those who are suffering. I saw my ex go through a series of bouts of depression before the final and worst one of my time with her which effectively ended our marriage. I felt completely useless. Nothing I could say to her seemed to help, no one seemed able to reach her though she was obviously distressed. I don't know if there are techniques that I could have used. Being unable to help was awful and I'll always wish that I could have done more.

 

My biggest problem with depression is the word itself.

A lot of people can be depressed for a variety of reasons but that is a world away from what I would consider 'suffering from depression' which seems to be more of an actual mental illness but the words are pretty much the same. Logically somebody who is depressed has depression but that's not really the case is it.

I think it's becsuse the words are so interchangeable that people tend to say pull yourself together and don't take it seriously because at times they've felt a bit depressed and in their heads that's all other people are feeling when in actual fact it's a different thing altogether

 

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That's a great idea and something i would love to see happen. It ended my marriage too mate, just the other way round.