New Zealand terror attacks

My thoughts are with you NYR .

 

Thoughts are with you mate I know it’s of little consolation and I couldn’t even guess what your going through but take care .

 

Banning the Burqa has nothing to do with this outrageous act of terrorism and its ridiculous to conflate the two things. The Burqa ban is more to do with security than intolerance and is law in some very tolerant countries.

The New Zealand terrorist hated Muslims, and since the majority of Muslims don't wear them it probably wasn't the primary factor running through his sick mind when he carried out his killing spree.

 

Sorry to hear that, you're right that no parent should ever have to do this. Take care.

 

Sort of agree but the some people you refer to are not the sane rational ones I mentioned in my post.

Whilst I accept the Muslim faith as non violent, like all religions there are a minority who use it to their own ends for power and control. I do find people who quote that all should have the right to wear a Burqa as a right of self expression mildly ironic. I consider it a means of control over women in a male dominated society an the anti-thesis of self expression given how places like Iran and conservative Islamic states insist that women cover themselves in Niqab, Burqa etc Those who state they wear it through choice you could argue have been conditioned by hundreds of years of male domination.
Still each to their own. Live and let live. I dislike ALL organised religion.

 

People killing other people over the fairy tales they choose to believe, then other people offering thoughts and prayers and hoping the perpetrators go to hell.
Non of it makes any rational sense to me.

 

Could have just as easily have been a reaction to the liberal left on social media, liberal left media and this bulletin board, which is equally regular.

It is impossible to be tolerant of everything. Anything should be open to appraisal, and if that leads to criticism then so be it. Unfortunately, those who are irrationally tolerant percieve everything to be intolerant. It will probably destroy us all in the end.

 

I'm in accord with you on the last part. I don't like religion myself... There you go....

 

Agree with you to a point but my point is that intolerance can lead to aggressive, evil behavior. Anyway, thanks for your comments but I'm done with this thread now. I don't usually post a lot as you probably know.
Cheers.

 

I don't need to defend Tommy Robinson. He is a racist. You do I guess?

 

What an absolute coward Brenton Tarrant is. Among his victims was 3 year old Mucad Ibrahim
who was gunned down as he tried to flee to safety. Poor little mite. Thoughts and prayers are with all those
who lost their loved ones.

 

Today I was out walking the dog. I was walking through some long grass and stood in the biggest load of dog sh*t!! How I missed it I don’t know. My thoughts turned to Brenton Tarrant as I scraped it off my shoe.

 

I'm not happy about the burqa either. Certainly in public places there is a security aspect to consider. In the distant past I used to work in Yorkshire Bank & the Richmond Hill branch was robbed 3 times at gunpoint, by someone wearing a motor cycle helmet. After the first incident I had two staff that suffered panic attacks when anyone came in wearing one. It was banned in all of the Yorkshire Bank branches after that (I'm not sure what other places this applies to, as I don't ride a motorcycle).

The downside of said argument is that you are not going to get anyone with a firearm removing their headgear, if it is a helmet, or burqa, so to some extent you are penalising lots of people for little reason & achieving very little. Gun control is the best way to stop things like this happening & the work of the intelligence services.

 

I'll add to the ban the burqa debate. I hate the thing. Not for the security aspect but because it's a fundamental way of dehumanising, downgrading and controlling women.
I know there is the argument about it protecting them. I think that's bulls**t. Look at the plight of women across the middle east. Suppressed, prevented from travelling, from assembly, from voting. There's even tracking systems available so their menfolk can keep an eye on them.
It's a disgrace.
It's primarily an islamic disgrace but that does not let everyone off the hook. Every major religion has perpetrated the same disgusting regime through the ages, Christianity included. Some are moving past it but as a result of reason replacing superstition rather than any real willingness on the part if the religious. We're not there yet, witness Mike Pence unable to trust himself or his wifè it seems in the company of the opposite sex. Witness the long delay in women's participation in sport, politics, male dominated industry etc, etc.
Religion has been used by men as an extra lever to confirm their physical dominance of women and enshrine it from the depths of history.
The sooner religion of every stripe is dead and gone the better.

 

Anyone who supports muppets like Tommy Robinson that drip feed hate to racist extremists bears some responsibility for the atrocity in NZ.

I’d ban the burqha in a heartbeat it has no place in civilised society.

 

Did you know there is no reference in the quaran to the Burqa...

 

According to an atheist ex-muslim friend, Mohammed and his early followers used to drink alcohol, but that was stopped much later (hundreds of years) when too many were turning up to evening prayers drunk. Lots of things have been warped over the years (not just Islam, but Christianity, Judaism and other main religions with a long history are much different to what they were originally.

 

No. There's probably no reference in the bible to women not being allowed to vote either.
Religion is open to interpretation.

 

Theres no real instruction about head covering either. Paraphrasing a bit it all tends to drift into ambigaty and translation

Its all about protecting modesty..

Which is open to interpretation.

The more conservative the translation the stricter the dress code.

 

Fair point. Whether it be in direct edict or interpretation though one of the aims of most religions was always to suppress the role of women and reduce them virtually to the level of goods and chattles.
It's only my opinion but the world for me would be a far better place if we could throw off the ignorance and superstition of religion and move into an age of reason.
And that's not just aimed at Islam, there's more than enough evangelical nutjobs in America to go round.