O/T Brexit.

Absolutely... but you still didn’t know. You’re not telling me that you didn’t have experts say waiting for the clock to turn in case of Armageddon?

The entire brexit has been a shambles. All sides are inept.

 

I don’t know who will “suffer” any more than you do.

 

You didn't work for a large multinational bank on the millenium bug and just wait to see what would happen. Banks were most likely to be affected due to the reliance on legacy code that used the short date format ("YY" instead of "YYYY"). This was likely to involve billing, payment and other systems making some pretty serious and incorrect calculations resulting in serious loss of reputation and customer confidence. If not large, fines and criminal investigations for those in charge.

Most likely the bank spent years going through every system with a fine tooth comb, finding and correcting the errors, then testing in multiple scenarios until they were sure it was working as expected.

There are still legacy banking mainframes out there using non-decimal currency, so those are very likely to be broken.

 

It is a poorly kept secret that USA health providers and health insurers are jostling for positions, and rubbing their hands with Glee at the prospect of dismantling our NHS. Any British supporting this should hang their head in shame.

 

Sorry clearly you’re correct, you know my work history... my bad.

And at that, I’m out of this ridiculous debate that is going nowhere, with no one on here any wiser to the actual outcomes...

 

Just giving you the facts from something I'm involved in.

 

I spent May and August bank holidays in 1999 working while the clocks were set forward to December 31 1999 to see what happened when they ticked over. Some issues were identified in the first test, remediated and tested again in the second one. Even then we had people working overnight, on-call overnight and working on the 1st to cover every eventuality. Everything went smoothly on the day because we had already tested it multiple times.

The ports on the EU side of the Channel have run No-Deal simulations to test if their systems are robust enough to cope with the extra requirements for worst case scenario. The systems on the UK side can't cope now and the replacement is both behind schedule and the functional requirements are not known. There will be either a very, very, long backlog at customs or smugglers paradise.

 

You know, one of the craziest things in all of this, if people just step back, forget what side of the fence they are... the assertion that "experts" know nothing. And that they have no professionalism and are all full of bias.

On this basis we should never trust a doctor to heal us or help us with health issues. We shouldn't have an architect design buildings, engineers calculate how to build them or builders, electricians, plumbers, joiners etc to build them. We shouldn't have financial advisors, accountants or solicitors. We shouldn't have economists, advisers, consultants of any kind.

In fact, we don'y need schools, colleges or universities. because why on earth spend years learning and advancing, Because an expert has no value.

Bakers, don't need them knowing how to make bread. Or farmers, growing food and rearing live stock, nope... anyone can do that.

It's just the most bizarre standpoint ever to an argument, and I find it amazing its not only used now and then, but used regularly to downplay any concern or uncertainty, or try and project just what is going to happen in the future.

 

I’m with Nigel.

 

Pity he didn't make any plans !

 

We are making them.

 

Nigel Nigel Nigel Nigel, just a batch of Nigels.

 

It's difficult for a person to present as an "expert" and whose opinion should be largely relied upon, when seeking to predict an outcome to a situation such as this, which has no precedent.

 

Nobody has stated they are an expert of exiting the EU, various people have highlighted issues that may manifest and highlighted various complexities. Many of these issues and the complexity of decoupling from the EU without detriment are being shown. And all we're trying to do is exit, not even a future relationship yet, that's the whole point of the transition period, to buy time to work something out.

Of course, it was Michael Gove who was the one in the campaign that decried experts, a political point, no other. Just as the tubthumping "independence day" and the £350m NHS claim, and the 80m Turkish invasion.

And yes, there will be instances projections are both underplayed and overplayed. And sometimes they will be listened to and sometimes they won't. But to tar anyone offering an opinion that just happens to contradict a preset Brexit ideal, it doesn't mean they shouldn't be listened to and such advice heeded.

 

The trouble is that you will get "experts" from each side of the Brexit fence, saying different things, and they both can't be right.

 

Why is that a troubling thing? People with different backgrounds, perspectives and expertise highlighting possible issues and/or opportunities.

Its the dumbing down of debate, washing away of forensic investigation of detail and casual misauthority of "it'll be fine" that is a much more troubling aspect of this whole affair.

 

No no… the earth is flat.

Fantastic interview and fully highlights why someone who has been there, done it, negotiated and is aware of miniscule detail should be allowed to have their voice heard. My particular favourite response from the Brexit central chap was about 5 seconds of silence relating to the Japan/EU trade deal.

 

I'm making a point about experts.

You can't choose one particular argument out of thousands to prove that Brexit is right or wrong..

 

"We're only making plans for Nigel
Nigel just needs this helping hand"

XTC 1979