O/T Novichok poisoning.

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  1. Donny Red

    Donny Red Well-Known Member

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    A bottle containing the Novichok agent that killed Dawn Sturgess has been found in
    her partner Charlie Rowley's home. It has been taken to Porton Down for further analysis.
    Police are hoping to discover how it got into the house and are trying to establish if it's linked
    to the Skripal's poisoning. They hope that if it is, at least they know that no other innocent person
    can be exposed to danger and are convinced that the find will hopefully go some way to allaying local residents concerns.
     
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    The Russians found a couple of drunk idiots to poison the skripals for them? Were the Russians ever involved? Have these pair been paid a few bob but ended up killing themselves with it?

    something strange happening that’s for sure
     
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    It's quite interesting that it's taken this long to find a bottle in his own home
     
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    I wish to state that I am theorising and have no proof of what I am about to say...but I think these two drug abusers that have been involved in this second "attack" were a cover-up by our own security services. They blamed Russia for the Skripal attack with no evidence of Russian involvement whatsoever, coersed other nations to expel Russian diplomats as a show of solidarity to the UK having promised to produce the evidence of Russian complicity which has yet to be forthcoming.

    A lot of people had started asking questions about the whole affair, questions that our government couldn't answer..they have panicked, and come up with some absolute trash about a second attack on two civillians with no apparent ties to the Skripal family so as to divert attention away from the initial botched job.

    Now they say a bottle of Novichok has been found in the blokes house. So he made it? This ridiculously complex compound that only a "state actor" could produce? I call BS. An attempt to "muddy the waters" if ever I have heard one.

    MI5/6 have, in my opinion staged the whole thing to further demonise Russia. It appears to be failing so they have one last throw of the dice with the second pair of victims, then when people are not receptive to this second load of tripe, they plant a bottle of Novichok in his house to again muddy those waters.

    Perhaps these two drug abusers were Kremlin cut-outs? Placed in British society as two drug addicts with no family ties so that once they had poisoned the Skripals they could themselves, be gotten rid of by Russia....I think not.

    What a mess.
     
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    Even though you've no proof I think you've nailed it. It's either that or the work of Martian Space Beetles.
     
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    Or equally it was the Russians who were to blame originally and they have found a way of deflecting the blame and making it look like we had done it
    Depends on your view
     
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    Or, whilst looking for cig ends in a bin, they found the bottle and took it home thinking it was prescription or otherwise meds for their pleasure?
     
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    What were they thinking when they made it , surely it should have been clearly labelled Novichok , please handle carefully!
     
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    It's very sinister whatever has happened SAB and you're hypothesis might not be too
    wide of the mark. Alas we will never know. When I was working, I was involved in a National
    strategy for buying Energy and meetings were held at the HM Treasury HQ in Whitehall.
    Back at base I was also working with a group of Street Lighting Engineers on trying to establish
    the role of Independent District Network Operators who were muscling in on the District Network
    Operators former automatic right to make connections on their networks. On the days I used to travel
    down to London , during the lunch recess in Whitehall, I used to nip over to Millgate to get advice from a guy in OFGEM who had the role of mediating in disputes on all connections in the U.K. to clarify any queries our group may have had. Next door to OFGEM, was a large imposing building. I know it sounds daft, but without knowing who owned it, I got a chill down my spine every time I passed by it. I was enjoying a sandwich and a cuppa with my contact one afternoon and asked about their building and others adjoining especially one re- 12 Millbank. He told me that the building that gave me the " shivers" was in fact the headquarters of MI5. It's weird I know but there was just something about the place that made me feel uncomfortable.
     
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    Harmful to pets. If consumed seek medical advice immediately.
     
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    What baffles me is that without any proof folk are happy to suspect/ attack their own country whilst seeking to deflect possible blame from one of the worlds most oppressive controlling regimes!
     
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    Thats a theory, although as a smoker myself, cig ends in a bin is a no go as all the tobacco would have burned away (off topic ofcorse).

    Experts in the field of nerve agents have actually stated that Novichok degrades execptionally quickly, even in a bottle and would have been totally ineffective after the amount of time that had passed inbetween the two "attacks".

    As I say, I am no expert and its only my opinion, but if I had to give a bottom line I would conclude that we (our security services) attacked the Skripals in the park, not at their home. Then we blamed Russia, failed in our attempt to properly implicate them, realised public opinion was turning do in a last ditch attempt to save the narrative they have poisoned two other people to try and keep the narrative away from the implication of our own security services. Smoke and mirrors, no more, no less.
     
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    What baffles me is that if MI5/6 deploy such tactics to make a 'problem' go away, why so public?
    I daren't post theories on here, but there are certainly ways to make a 'problem' disappear without a trace, unless you want to go analysing waste on a pig farm.
     
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    This story does get stranger by the day . Remember when the 2nd pair got poisoned and the media described them as a pair of unemployed druggies . Then it turns out the fella recently acquired a 300k mortgage with new cars sat on the drive .
     
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    Yes. While the whole business is very strange and none of the possible explanations really stack up, the theory that it was an inside job to frame the Russians is particularly ludicrous, in my opinion.
     
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    There is something odd about the whole telephone call from the hospital and how no photos, video or anything of sergei has ever been released. Did he die? Did he exist?
     
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    Most of the expert opinion I've heard or read state that Novichok degrades very slowly. I have read one that argues that there is insufficient scientific data to say categorically how quickly it degrades.
     
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    And how he has a nice house but his girlfriend is homeless. I mean that might be a thing that happens but if I was in a relationship with someone I wouldn't give them a kiss and send them out on the street every night

    Edit: apparently she wasn't living on the streets but was staying at a halfway house
     
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    It was thatcher
     
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    Incider news ?
     

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