So, there aren't enough teachers to fill the vacancies, not surprised.

Coaches on minimum wage and assistant coaches are apprentices on even less and they would all kill to be teachers believe me.

 

So would all teachers, until they become teachers. Also, why don't these coaches go and be one then? They don't even have to kill someone to do it!

 

Whoever is in charge of writing lesson plans for our scoreboard needs sacking. They're clearly not meeting their targets

 

I do believe you.

But they are not covering PPA, not from how you are describing their role.

They are providing a service bought by a school- a school that probably pays a hefty premium - one that it sounds like is not passed on to the coaches that you speak of by their employer.

 

What I don't understand is why these people who would love to be teachers don't just do it instead of turning green with envy.

 

Some of them do but there are a limited number of vacancies.

Anyway I'm not just talking about them what about call-centre workers and factory workers, people who work in retail, they've all got it worse. What about police officers, prison guards and social workers?

People who work in education have no idea about the real world, they live in a bubble.

 

I have it worse than jamdrop and co in some aspects of my job, far worse. They have it far worse than me in other aspects. Their point is that their job could easily be changed to make it easier or more pleasant and apart from the fact that it is a really shitty attitude that they should suffer because somebody else does happier teachers who can perform better due to less messing around would produce better kids and that can only be a good thing

 

Race to the bottom. Then what?

 

Their lot ought to be improved and of course it's always relative

 

No there's not, there's a short fall - go for it folks!

I've worked in retail and collecting size 8 shoes for someone in JD Sports and putting clothes neatly on clothes hangers is certainly not worse (even though I did get only £3 an hour). Again, if these workers don't want to do that and instead want to be teachers then why don't they? I did and if a girl from Grimey with a factory worker for a dad and an unemployed mam can do it (so not exactly made of money) then anyone can.

I don't really know their situation but I can imagine that in some respect they do. Although teachers are social workers on some level. (About as much as football coaches are teachers).

People who don't work in education have no idea about it, they live in a bubble.

 

Now you are just being insulting.

Don't make assumptions about 'people' in education. I'm one of them and I'm in no bubble. I work my absolute you know what's off every day to provide opportunities for kids that don't even care about opportunities.

If I may be so bold, sweeping generalisations like the one you've made show it is you that could well be in a bubble.

Before you say it, I'm fully aware there are people worse off than me but the OP wasn't about lording it over folk or bemoaning a teachers lot- it was about a non-teacher offering respect to the profession. Something that's sadly lacking.

Again, try not to make generalisations about people you don't know, it comes across as somewhat rude.

 

In a very bizarre way you are absolutely correct, but only for the reason that teachers, like my wife, cannot escape the teaching environment for one moment. They are totally submerged in it to the point of drowning, lesson plans, marking, administrative tosh, all of which has to be fitted into their lives AFTER teaching.
If my wife is a typical example then she does not get to see the real world, she doesn't have the time. She is indeed trapped inside a bubble, but not in the way you imply.
You may say, well get out of teaching, but as she is in her 50s and nearer to retirement now, then quite frankly she is stuck. She says many, many times that if she'd got more money behind her and if the mortgage was paid up then she'd gladly take on a 9 to 5 job which didn't involve taking work home at night. That is the crux of the matter. SHE CAN'T WAIT TO GET OUT !!

 

Isn't the key point that lots of people contributing to this thread aren't teachers, and work in other professions, yet see how challenging it is. They're not in an education bubble.

 

You know I didn't say that don't you- that people in education live in a bubble?

just checking!!!

 

Yes, sorry.
I copied the line from your earlier message, should have copied it from Gloria's.
You are absolved.... whiter than white !

 

phew.

although I agreed and your rationalisation.