Universal Basic Income

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  1. Dan

    DannyWilsonLovechild Well-Known Member

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    I couldn't give a monkeys to be honest. Those who have sufficient insurance or wealth use the system that way anyway, I doubt there would be much difference in all fairness.

    I just believe if people don't need something, they shouldn't be given it for free. It makes no sense at all to do so and creates many more negatives than positives in my view.

    Its Friday, there is a pub awaiting me! ;-) Gladly pick this up on Monday with you, hopefully after we've got 3 points and maintain a top 2 position.
     
  2. Dan

    DannyWilsonLovechild Well-Known Member

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    Or we don't need as many people, and we stop the devastation of our natural world by acting responsibly and not over consuming and over populating.
     
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    You advocating killing sections of society that no longer work?
     
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    Very true.

    Somalia being a good example. Barring the reglious and miliary factions blowing seven shades out of each other... the country is one of the worlds poorest and has been subject to countless relief efforts to keep the population from starving.

    It also has one of the largest average family size in the world.
     
  5. Con

    Conan Troutman Well-Known Member

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    I can't see how this would be financially viable, but if it ever comes to pass my own personal choice would be to carry on working and take the 6k pay rise.
     
  6. Gimson&theBarnsleys

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    Absolutely correct.
     
  7. Gimson&theBarnsleys

    Gimson&theBarnsleys Well-Known Member

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    FFS.
    You do know that better standards of living generally lead to smaller family sizes don't you?
     
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    Stupid idea imo which would only serve to drive up prices as stores assume people have more money, give more to those who choose not to work and unneeded money to those who don't need it. The ones who would be harmed are those on low wages working full time who would see a tax rise to fund it. Sure they'd get a nice bit of money up front but would just pay it back afterwards.
     
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    Yep. But a lot of people avoid setting up businesses and capitalising on ideas that they have just because of that risk. UBI helps to mitigate that.
     
  10. Dan

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    If they don’t want to take the risk, they don’t deserve reward.
     
  11. Dan

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    I’m advocating that at this rate of population growth, the planet won’t sustain us at some point.
     
  12. Plankton Pete

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    I agree with that.
     
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    Hopefully the future mars terraforming and expansion will help with that.

    I genuinely believe there will be a colony of some form on Mars within 20 years
     
  14. Dan

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    The planet will correct itself at some point, mankind seems intent on selfish damaging acts that consume and ravage and ultimately damage ourselves in the long run. Hope Mars escapes us.
     
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    That’s far too philosophical for this time on a Friday.
     
  16. ark

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    But again that's a very monetary response. Creativity and innovation isn't always driven by financial desire. It could be social enterprises, community interest companies, a passion for doing something. But it is very often constrained by financial reality.
     
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  17. Dan

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    You need the money to make something happen, whether you generate it through profitable initiatives or influence someone, person, group or institution to back you, loan you, or support you.

    People don’t value what they are given for free. It’s that simple.
     
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    Haven’t really read into it, but judging by this thread it seems as though workers would be penalised by paying higher taxes, in order to fund ‘free’ money for all. Surely that influences unemployment in a negative way?
     
  19. ark

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    But they wouldn't be been given the success for free, they'd be been given the opportunity - the same as every other person would have through UBI. They would know they had the basics to live.

    I guess we just ultimately disagree on the fundamentals of the human condition. I don't believe you need financial incentive to want to be successful. Nothing I have achieved so far in my life has been driven through a desire to earn more. That's not to say for others it hasn't, but UBI wouldn't in any way disincentivise those who are driven by money.
     
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  20. Dan

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    I don’t see how it gives any other incentive but to be lazy. There are self starters in this world who find a way. There are those who can’t be bothered and moan about lack of opportunity but never take risk or push for an opportunity.

    Give free money to a lazy non starter you get waste. Give free money to a self starter, they’ve found a way already.
     

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