What the hell is going on at oakwell?

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  1. Dan

    DannyWilsonLovechild Well-Known Member

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    What were the actual words put out into the public domain though that caused that higher award? I've seen it mentioned in many cases that legal advice is being taken and there will be no further comment. Or comment cannot be made for legal reasons.

    Unless their is inference of wrongdoing by a party that could arguably lead to defamation or denigration of character, its merely an outlining of whats happening. A statement of fact without prejudice.

    Saying nothing can be said for legal reasons merely states something cant be commented on, but doesn't imply Stendel is suing the club, or the club is suing Stendel.
     
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    I would say a educated guess based on a few things
    Not giving Tonge or Devanney who worked on the same tactics the job (as they would have carried on with a continuation of those tactics) and also some of the comments players have come out with since he left.
    Was that at least some and maybe a majority of the players and or maybe the investors or both team and investors were not happy with Daniels tactics.
    They thought there was too much and too often of the pressing play
    The pressing all the time was not working in there opinion and was leaving them vulnerable too often.

    He was asked into the office for a meeting and was asked/told to alter them.
    He refused and was sacked for failing or refusing to carry out a reasonable request or follow instructions by his employers.
     
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    They claimed his style of play was why they hired him.
     
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    I was suspended and the reason why was publicly stated. Even though it was made clear pending an investigation, my legal team successfully proved it was defamation of character and as a result the company had to release an apology that made it clear there was no case to answer, I successfully sued for Constructive dismissal and got paid just over £21k for defamation of character alone.
     
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    So there you go. The extra award was defamation... not that no comment couldn't be made for legal reason.
     
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    orsenkaht Well-Known Member

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    I'm not suggesting any details should be released - simply that there is no reason not say that a case has been brought. As you indicate, releasing actual details of the case could well be prejudicial or even defamatory, but that's a different matter.
     
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    No the initial statement was
    Suspended with immediate effect pending an investigation for xxxx. No contact was to be made etc.

    the defamation came after I had won my case
     
  8. Dan

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    But they declared what the investigation was into and announced it. That is the defamation and caused the extra award, which obviously was claimed later.

    If they'd said they were unable to comment for legal reasons, there is no defamation there is there?
     
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    That could be why there is legal action taking place.
    But at the end of the day if your employer asks you to do something and you refuse .even if they change there mind on the directions they told you ten minutes ago, last week /last year or the reasons they recruited you were .
    they can alter that plan to suit changing conditions, scenarios ,different leagues .
    plan of action not working so need to change plan slightly or significantly to suit adept to different landscapes
    and you have to do that ?
     
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  11. Dan

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    You could probably equally argue that if people with no skill, qualification or past experience of football tactics start to dabble, and place ever increasing extreme recruitment of inadequate players on you, your position is being made untenable and you have a very sound basis for constructive dismissal.
     
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    Yep - totally agree with that Deputy Dawg. In fact, I think most contracts of employment include a clause 'to carry out the reasonable instructions of the employer' or similar. My point is more about the owners changing their tack after luring a coach over from Europe to employ the original tactics. They were probably legally acting reasonably if that is the case, but not with great honour, considering the downturn in results flowed from their fire sales.
     
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    Agreed
     
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    My guess is Daniel has pushing for experience in the team and they have said no so I recon Daniel will have said "if you won’t support me I might as well **** off" the reply could be on the lines.. "well **** off then".
    So I think Daniel is wanting compo for being sacked and the club are saying "no tha fecked off on thi own accord".

    Hence "parted ways"

    Edit... Why is the word f e c k starred
     
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    I believe the most up to date way of writing that word is "fooooooook"
     
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    Agreed, not defending the club but everyone is saying they need to change the plan with regard to recruiting, why not the same for tactics? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is a sign of madness.
     
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    But that was what he was appointed to do. The board were saying that that was the style of play they appointed him on.
     
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    Solomon would say welcome back to Oakwell Daniel. The owners say they haven't sacked you, you say you haven't resigned so get back in there!
     
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    The optimism of the three draws with Top 6 teams, was quickly overshadowed by the loss to our two fellow relegation candidates. We needed to beat the relegation candidates, but even if we had drawn with them, and lost to the Top 6 teams, we'd be in a better place.
     

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