Who should I vote for?

Whether we like it or not, the future will be defined by Europe and what happens after the "deal" is concluded. Policies take revenue, derived from taxation, to pay for and execute. And it's very likely we'll take a huge dip in tax take very shortly as uncertainty and the impact of leaving the security we've had unravels and the new way of generating business takes time to manifest.

Hardly a barometer, but I've just returned from Chelsea Flower Show. I go every year with the missus and the inlaws who live in kent, are lifelong tories and RHS members (we have many political arguments!). For the first time since I've been going (maybe 8-10 years) the people exhibiting and number of gardens was massively down (8 main gardens from a norm of about 15-20) , and the footfall was too. Usually 3 deep trying to see a main garden, and you could do so easily today. More space used for seating, for displays of pictures and other space fillers.

A garden I'm told costs about £200k for a sponsor to find. Yes it's largesse and yes it can give you an uncomfortable feeling wandering round, but it demonstrates business confidence is hugely shaken and that's translating into investment by both business and consumer. I've seen it a lot in London, that hatches have been battoned greatly and we're only benefitting from a weakened pound as a last hurrah before our membership goes.

We're getting a tory government. I feel its inevitable. I don't want it, but I don't want this version of Labour either. The "best" I feel I can hope for is a minority tory one that's frustrated and held up and cant function sufficiently, and that means LibDems clawing back ground, Labour holding firm and SNP fending off the tories. I think labour have some big losses ahead. Some of the policies have gained a moderate nod of approval, but only one or two and my big fear is that the taxation policies would exacerbate businesses leaving these shores and a lot of small businesses being heavily damaged as a consequence. I believe business should pay tax. But from leaving the EU, a high tax economy is suddenly competing against large blocks that are more appealing to do business, and in an age of globalisation, you can do business anywhere at all

My vote doesn't matter and hasn't since I lived here. Just over 34k votes were cast last time, 26k majority is going to return a red result here again. If I voted for the monster raving loonies, it would have just as much impact.

 

I feel your pain. I am a member of the Labour Party & a supporter of Corbyn, but I'm also in favour of us having a proper proportional voting system. Sadly that argument seems lost on most people, despite them claiming to have a pointless vote. Cameron's half hearted appeasement of the gullible Nick Clegg left that one high & dry. I'm sad Labour & the Greens & Lib Dems can't work together. Sadly Tim Farron ruled out working with Labour at the start of the campaign.

My local seat in Headingley has one of the few Lib Dem seats in the country. He's been a decent local MP, but has backed some misguided national policies, like bombing Syria. He only has a 3000 majority over Labour & I could see Labour taking it, as it has a young demographic, a lot of ex-students saddled with debts courtesy of Cameron & Clegg. I think there will be a lot of unusual results in different areas tbh. I'm not confident of a Labour win, sadly. I can but hope.

 

iIt s also anecdotal, but I work in IT projects, and the number of those at the minute appears to be drying up. Some are still ongoing, but those were committed to before the referendum. A lot of new stuff is being shelved at least until the outcome of the deal is known. I suspect I will be very busy for 2-3 years divesting companies into EU and UK operations, then see the work dry up in around 4-5 years time.

Typically, one of the arguments of the Brexitshysters about saving jobs for Brits will probably work against UK-born employees. Once we lose free movement, we are legally less flexible than our EU-born colleagues and probably won't be able to just jump on a flight and work in Dublin, Stockholm or Paris, but EU-born employees will still be able to. Makes us less attractive to any employers that cover the EU from a UK base.

 

I voted remain but won't fill my pant with **** over leaving. What's done is done and the way I see it is we have managed to deliver great things without being in the EU and. An do so again.

The future of the NHS is more important to me. The EU didn't save jobs and industries.

 

LABOUR LABOUR LABOUR.

 

But leaving it will be extremely painful. I think the most played anthem in a year or so's time will be, you don't know what you've got til its gone"

The biggest thing I fear will be the protections it gave us against our own government at times when it was breaching laws. But it is what it is. I just wont be endorsing those who could've done more to have prevented such an act of self harm.

 

The damage wasn't done last year, it's been done over the last 20 to 30.

If you want to keep these much vaunted protections you need a Labour Government. Having said that, all this suggests we had no rights whatsoever until the EU came along which is a nonsense.

 

We had some protections, but nowhere near as many as now. And I really don't feel I need a Labour govt, not this one anyway.

 

Having been leaning toward the Conservatives since around 2006, Labour have swayed me with some interesting policies. Then the Greens have come along and have promised even better things and the country will be just as bankrupt. Sadly there's no Green candidate in my area, so I'm voting for The Yorkshire Party. Except I'm off on my jollies so I'm not bothering.

 

So you'd be as happy with a Tory one? You're virtually guaranteed to lose these rights then...

What stops you from wanting this one? Potential to do more lasting good than the last one

 

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Sad that the tories policies have made it come to that. Voting for more of the same if we do then we deserve what we get.


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If cutting costs, jobs and resources from the police meant that this could not be stopped in time then the person responsible should face criminal charges of negligence (at least). The same way as the directors of a company cut costs leading to an accident they will face charges.

 

As stated before, I want neither Tory nor Labour. Shot or hung. And I've outlined my reasoning already, don't want to bore people to death with the constant repetition.

 

Fair enough. For what it's worth I don't agree that a perceived lack of effort by Jeremy Corbyn in the referendum campaign is now a good enough reason to want a government led by him to implement the policies in the manifesto, which I feel like you agree with anyway.

Que sera sera

 

Some policies i'm moderately neutral about, some I kind of agree with the sentiment, but many of the mechanisms won't work.

France is a prime example of high tax socialist state failing to net the benefits in a globalised economy.

 

Depending on the results of Brexit (both in the value of the £ and the movements of jobs/business to France), France could well have a bigger economy than the UK within the next couple of years in terms of GDP. It is close now and predicted to get closer over the next few years.

 

Indeed, a very large amount of banks moved staff to London from Paris (many reside in my locale). I'd be surprised if they weren't well advanced in relocating back to France or to Luxembourg, and following the lead of JP Morgan, DB and all the Japanese banks.