Compulsory vaccinations

Seemingly, they're accountable to nobody. They have the backing of the majority of the public (it seems) and the majority of the opposition in parliament. So what an opportunity to push through things that they've wanted for decades. I honestly can't remember a government lie and manipulate the public as much as this current one though.

Trouble is, they're in the brilliant position of being able to veil half of what they're up to as being crucial to public health. They've engaged in psychic warfare with the public for the last 18 months and people seem more than happy to just accept what they say now. JCVI says don't vaccine children until the risks/benefits are clearer. Government says do it anyway and parents will likely listen to Boris over the JCVI.

It might very well be that they do have your best interests at heart, though I'm not entirely convinced. Often, too, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

I appreciate vaccine passports don't freak the majority out. And that's fine. Personally, though, I think we need to be worried. It does seem like they'll get through parliament with it. If they come in and are temporary and are reversed at a later stage, then I'll eat my words. And I'll also eat my shoes, I just don't see it happening.

 

To be honest... It's more one particular (o)poster who's irked me, with his claims of being 'right all along' when in truth he's been barely partly right on a few things, having said far more that has no semblance of reality.

You and many other posters of opposing views on here have had very reasoned debates with me on this and other subjects. I have a huge amount of respect for your opinion and stance. I certainly never intended for my comments to label or offend you.

I think the truth is, this thread (and it's many cousins) really need to die as they brings out the worst side of many of us.

Again.. I apologise and I'm going to step away once more.

 

How long before Boris brings in the same sinister idea here. He's going to find it hard to bring in vaccine passports with hospital admissions dropping quickly lately.

 

Justin Trudeau is one scary fella. Pop it on around the 35 seconds mark once he's stopped speaking French. I think most people are worried about the power governments have over every day life, rather than being worried more about covid. 12 or over you've got to be vaccinated even to use public transport.

 

Good old black face Trudeau

 

Whilst I am in no way defending BoJo here for the mess he's made of the UK, it seems like every single western government has followed the same script during this pandemic, with regards to imposing the strictest authoritarian rule I'm sure any of us have experienced, and every western opposition party has gone along with it. I was surprised how Scotty from Marketing (Australian PM) changed after returning from the G7.

 

That's genuinely sad to know.

 

Unlike in the UK, many American states make vaccinations compulsory to attend school. You can see the current requirements for California here: https://eziz.org/assets/docs/IMM-231.pdf

Whilst I don’t believe the Covid vaccine should be one, them making it mandatory there isn’t as big a deal as it would be here as there’s such a huge precedent for making vaccinations compulsory for school attendance anyway, it’s just that they’ve added this one to the list.

 

1000 people a week are still dying from covid the VAST majority are unvaccinated. I think ok, don’t force it on people, but you got to wonder how long the health service can go on and the impact on everyones lives due to this selfishness?

 

Its not a co-incidence that the majority of those with covid on their death certificates are unvaccinated though is it?

 

Deaths are reported in two ways - all deaths with a positive test result in the 28 days before death and all deaths were COVID is mentioned as the cause or one of the causes.

 

The bigger number is not the one you suspect it is though. Determining the causes of death isn't always easy and medics do get things wrong on death certificates but it's pretty reliable (unless you happen upon a Shipman) so I wouldn't get too hung up on 'one of the causes'. Let's be fair - medics are far more qualified to determine cause of their patients deaths.

I agree that excess mortality should get more attention - but vaccines prevent deaths.

For the record I'm against compulsory vaccinations.

 

Used to be a Morris dancer

 

I’ve already said that I don’t approve for the Covid vaccine. However, informing someone who might not know that they differ from the UK in regards to other vaccines being compulsory is something that I considered relevant to the conversation around compulsory vaccines, whether I ‘pulled it off the internet’ or not.