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I've complained about 3 things. Media Commerical and academy. Non was first on here.

 

I've attended most meetings and given Khaled a rough ride. As has loko and many others, he answered with dignity.
1.Over the west stand debacle. Who according to the Chief safety officer himself. ( I was present when he made that statement.) made the decision it needed closing. Khaled then announced that decision on his advice. Not based on his own opinion.
2. On the communication front. I laid the cards on the table re this issue . And he admitted it wasn't good enough. But we are seeing an improvement.
3. The Wolfe new contract announcement got out at the same time or within minutes of telling the fan group.false allegations on here were made re the announcement. And the timing of it.
4. The Dates for the manager to come in could not be guaranteed and were a wish list of Khaled , Neerav. And the new board. But as usual those dates 6th Jun.13th then possibly 20th. Were taken as guarantees by some.
5. When Khaled said the season under Val was a failure. He was only stating a fact based on the criteria of the spreadsheet.( Unpalatable but true) . As viewed by Conway.
That to be fair is when I turned against Conway and the rest of the board at that time. Not knowing what was happening in the Background. Which khaled I assume was/became aware of from November of last year.
Having found out that Conway went his own way and went against other board members advice.
6. Ongoing court issue. Who in their right minds would expect Khaled to release any information even if he has any.

Fans are invited to most events and tbf to the club they have been present at most. But 1 or two of the people on here who chose not to, or refuse to attend.(not unable to attend And btw the numbers are astonishingly low.) Go on soundbites. And write as they see fit. Regardless of any semblance of truth.
Loko and Gally present to this board. In as good as they can. The minutes of the meeting. Loko gets criticised at every turn. If he sometimes appears to get the huff on a rare occasion. I think he bloody well should. I'm not so sure I'd put up with constant criticism from those who chose to not take in what's said. Giving an opinion is fine. Once. Repeating the same opinion on multiple threads is just attention seeking. Imo that is.

 

I agree, those with an agenda, it's not worth the debate, and it's easy not to.

What I continue to find disappointing is the efforts to create division in the fan base. To be fair, it's forever been thus in this place. Particular from certain quarters.

We've had a horrible season. With horrible decisions, horrible football and a horrible outcome. We're at a point where hopefully we can draw a line in the sand and move to times where we're less in peril and maybe, just maybe, we can have a spell where it's more about play on the pitch than off it.

There are some people who can't help themselves and crave division and conflict. We know who they are, they present themselves every day and aren't worthy of attention.

I don't think you're one of those people, hence why I was a little disappointed that the post came across as it did.

 

And tbh , disappointed in myself. I try not to be confrontational on this board . And have been approached (not on here) about my demeanor in not losing control. And i always try and debate even under extreme provocation. Slanging matches go nowhere.
I very rarely lose it in meetings and ask difficult questions. (Passion can appear as aggression. I get that within myself and notice it in others.) non more so than when in work meetings. (recently retired) Even told by colleagues to pick up my P45 on the way out lol.

 

That's a good assessment HF. As I've said previously, the amount of negativity aimed at Khaled, Loko and Gally is unacceptable.
However it's the nature of this place (and others) and it always will be.
How refreshing would it be to be able to share debate on here without the aggression and constant moaning and groaning at everything the club does?

 

Odd that fan reps spend their days attacking fans rather than representing them. I know as a union rep if I went around insulting members and defending the management structure at the expense of all else i wouldn’t last long.

 

Kinell this post escalated quickly lol

 

As an ex union rep. Of 25yrs +. Do you always believe all your members. If you do. you are naive. Having defended some members (on disciplinarys) who will not even tell reps the truth and both the member and the rep ending up with egg on face in the presence of overwhelming evidence.
If I had a member that I thought needed a kick up the arse. I'd bloody well tell him. Not for my benefit but for his. And on that note I'd defend him to the hilt even I don't agree. It was my role.
I had great respect of most of those I represented. cos I didn't bullsh1t em. Gave no false hope and would inform them of the rules. Not what they thought fair.

Spending his days Attacking fans. Really.
Defending management structure at the expense of all else. Really.
Having a different opinion to those ignorant of all the facts, who chose to have an agenda regardless of the truth. Is not a crime.
He confronts management on the issues that those fans are requesting. Alongside Gally. And gets far more name calling than I'd put up with.

 

if I represented someone who I thought was in the wrong I would tell them that privately and advise them the correct course of action. I certainly wouldn’t dismiss their concerns and cosy up to management given every opportunity. I won some fairly ‘lost cause’ disciplinaries by not dismissing members concerns and not giving in at the first obstacle.

As for challenging the Oakwell hierarchy. What’s the phrase “like being savaged by a dead sheep’”. The whole it was all Conway stuff is both ridiculous and amusing in equal measure.

But hey if you think the last few years have not been a shambolic disaster as we lurch from crisis to crisis spending all our reserves and relying on other teams receiving penalties to ‘achieve’ anything then happy days.

The ground falls to bits. Brilliant.

The owners look into moving the club to Lancashire. Fantastic.

They lie about the reason for ground closures until called out by the council. Great stuff

They take monies from the club to pay their debts and then end up on court. Magnificent.

They appoint a CEO in a forward facing role who puts his foot in it every time and seems miles out of depth no worries.

Match day experience. Yeah Chuck em in a bit of the car park. Chances of a warm beverage or food at half time pretty much zero. World beating.

 

well several times on this thread alone. So not so bold. Anyway I’m sticking you back on ignore as I cba seeing someone who is meant to represent fans acting in the way you do.

In your defence I’m not sure you are aware of how you come across so I will leave it there.

 

Re your 1st paragraph. This board is not private. Its 2 people who don't see eye to eye. As a union rep I would conduct my conversations in private. When it's a private matter.
The rest of it. fill your boots. Neither loko or myself have those views. I didn't mention em once. Your post was about Loko's behaviour. And sucking up to the club. He's not an employee. Only pointing out the facts. Is that so hard to understand. You have already practically accused him of backing every statement the club when that clearly is not true. Glad you have an open mind.

 

Personally I don't think the supporters trust should be having hush hush meetings with the club, getting secret club changing information, keeping it to themselves and then carefully and craftily using that secret information to alter supporters opinion of key people in order that when the secret hush hush information is released to everyone they have had their opinion swayed. That's certainly what's happened this season and in my opinion it stinks.

The trust have, knowingly or unknowingly, acted as the new boards propaganda machine for months. Slagging off Conway and defending the indefensible. It is my guess that the sudden, heartfelt and sustained defence of Khaled by the trust members on here was because they knew he would be playing a key part in the new board. Likewise I suspect that the sudden change from slagging off and belittling the Conway out group to posting #conway out and constantly posting 'all roads lead to Paul Conway ' or whatever it was was also because of the inside information that he was leaving. It was in my opinion all done to put it into the supporters heads that one man alone was to blame, that Khaled was brilliant and that the club is in safe hands with him remaining. It was the message sent out, the message repeated over and over and funnily enough when the news was shared publicly almost everyone was on board with the idea that Conway was the sole devil, Khaled was amazing and that all the other board members and shareholders had been mute for 4 years.

The club, in my opinion, owe the trust a lot of money as that kind of or and propaganda usually comes at a price.

Personally I think that shouldn't be what the SUPPORTERS trust is about. I also understand that individual key members of the supporters trust aren't officially posting on behalf of the trust but feel that has little importance or relevance when they know they have influenced due to their positions and were making posts based on information gained via their positions at the trust.

How do we stop that from happening? **** knows. The only way I can see is to try to break the special relationship between trust and club but I can't see that being popular

 

Remember when Khaled closed the West Stand, forced long attending season ticket holders to move, but then allowed various hangers on to sit in their seats on a matchday anyway?

I do.

 

Nah, all roads lead back to Paul Conway. Khaled is the Messiah