‘Thé Great Reopening’

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  1. TitusMagee

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    They can't be staffed solely by the army though? And theyve only said they were going to use army staff as recently as December "to support" when London was getting overwhelmed as far as I can see.

    As a nurse myself I bloody hate the Tories...just want to put that on record.
     
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    During this winter wave some have been open. Friend of ours was sent to Harrogate Nightingale for a scan rather than go to Leeds. IIRC the Nightingale in the South West was open too. 400 military personnel have also been sent into UK hospitals.
     
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    It’s the difference between someone offering us £4m for the club or £2m for Cauley.
    Ashley wanted the stores too.
     
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    Think you have touched on something here. I've recently moved out of Mapplewell but still have many friends in the area, hearing about a lot of crime like this. A couple of muggings, a friend was broken into another caught people snooping around his gardens on CCTV.
    Could be coincidental but it seems like a sudden increase in crime to all the years I lived in the area.
     
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    NO! We were told the military would ‘help’ build and staff the hospitals.

    Someone, somewhere, calculated that the amount of non NHS medically trained staff could be called upon to staff the nightingales and it seems they were wrong- by an order of magnitude.

    The assumption was that health care workers would ‘step up’, but the reality is that most of them were actually working doing other things (health related), or they had no desire to return to a job they’d left. There are notable exceptions- but the truth is people had no desire to enter a dangerous workplace for little reward.

    Example that’s easy to see: Do you think Barnsley FC would be happy to give up their medical team for 3 months at a time? Knowing the team might be about to start playing football at any minute.
     
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    One thing I still can't get my head round is that if there aren't any medical staff to run the nightingale hospitals which is why so many people have been given the death penalty for daring to get cancer or heart problems or any of the other ignored condition this year then how have these medical staff suddenly appeared to open them?
     
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    Watch out for the contract amazon drivers and couriers. I had one with a passenger riding with him who got out and was slyly taking photos of my property which i caught him do and on cctv too. then a month later break ins. Robbers dream that - mobile phone to take pics and getting paid to drive round and case joints with nobody contesting why they are there. Scumbags.
     
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    I know 3 people that were diagnosed with cancer last year and all received treatment - at least one now has the all-clear from prostrate cancer (he went into hospital when the UK went into lockdown in March) and another had a grade 4 brain tumour, which is bad news at the best of times but he was returning to work before Christmas. These treatments may have been adjusted to account for the situation, but they all had the help they needed.

    The doctors and nurses that are currently not working in their normal roles have been redeployed into the expanded ICUs within hospitals. ICUs have an higher level of staff for each patient than normal wards, so large parts of an hospital might appear empty - because 2-3 more medical staff are dealing with each patient than normal and the space taken by ICUs has expanded into neighbouring wards.
     
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    they stopped a lot of peoples chemo because of what it does to the immune system.
     
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    because there are no staff to work in them. Icu nursing is specialist and requires 2 years of additional training.
     
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    Rock and a hard place.I really feel for the NHS staff making these decisions
     
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    With all due respect Scoff, and this is aimed at everyone who puts up similar rebuffs, that you knew people whose treatment continued, and I'm very pleased it did, doesn't mean that was the case for all. It wasn't and there is nothing to be gained from this sort of answer. Literally thousands of people have gone undiagnosed, the treatments of thousands of already diagnosed patients have been interrupted or postponed. I don't know what you saying that it didn't for some people you know is supposed to prove. It's just another way of trying to silence any concern that isn't covid and it's damaging because it's attempting to hide the whole picture.

    I don't know what the answer is. I don't even know if there is one, but this attempt to constantly sweep things under the carpet isn't it. There are serious issues, many very, very serious issues, that are affecting hundreds of thousands of people that are a direct result of our response to the covid crisis. Issues that are causing poverty, ill health, suffering and death and I can't understand why people refuse to look at the whole picture rather than the single issue. As I said, that doesn't mean I have the answer, but we'll never find that answer as long as this type of response continues to be acceptable.

    People who have questioned our response to Covid are often called Covid deniers. I'm sure there are some crackpots out there that deny it, but although there's plenty of us who are crackpots on here I have never read one person attempting to deny the existence of this virus. Questioning a response to an issue is not questioning the issue itself.

    But there are certainly a number of real life deniers who will, at every opportunity, deny the very real consequences of the measures brought in to tackle the virus.
     
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    The *best* solution was to go for zero Covid a year ago. While we have a significant level of the virus in the population it will have knock-on effects - on the economy, on healthcare, on education, and the rest. The countries that went for zero Covid are effectively operating as normal with the only real restrictions being on international travel. Those that didn't have increased all the other problems.

    We *could* do it now. It would need a 6-8 week *proper* lockdown in combination with the vaccine roll-out - with just about everything shut and proper, *full wage payments for all those affected*, quarantine on the border with two negative tests results (or vaccine passport) required for entry with goods, etc. Its winter, its cold, we're in a sort of lockdown anyway and the best time to do it. We could be out of the tunnel by the middle of Spring - and would then need fast acting local lockdowns in case of resurgence in any area and the population would have to do without the foreign holidays for a year or two until the rest of the world sorts itself out. We were within touching distance last summer, but foreign travel, eat out to help out and other events reseeded it in the population.

    Or, we can carry on with this half-hearted attempt with the right-wing press pushing to open stuff up early and everyone suffering for probably the next year - maybe even longer. Hospital appointments missed, businesses going under, education damaged, traumatized medical staff, etc.

    We stop Covid, we can address everything else. The longer we don't, the longer it takes and the more problems we pile up in front of us.
     
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    They are extremely fortunate then. Quite a few people close to me have had treatment stopped. One with devastating results
     
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