42 Days / David Davis / Nuclear Terrorists

I think we should do whatever is needed to make this country a safer place

Whether that's fighting terrorism, muggings , robbery whatever

I do think we should try to protect civil liberties when ever we can. The right to not be imprisoned without charge is one of those

However I do believe civil liberties can be compromised if for the greater good eg. CCTV cameras I think they bring benefits. 42 day detention will probly make things worse rather than better

 

But your not comparing like with like

Your comparing the actions of a fundamentalist terrorist group with a western democracry. Acting in the same way they do condones their actions.

 

Problem is the definition of terrorism is a very broad one and open to interpretation.

What exactly is "influencing the government"? What is "advancing a political cause" or, "advancing an ideological cause"? Who knows, if they deem participating in a fuel demonstration is "creat{ing} a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public", you might find yourself needing a lawyer. Not that you would necessairly know what you are being tried for.......cos they don't have to tell you. Or hold the trial in public.

Still, us white skinned, non-muslim folk are safe. Ok so some councils might have been spying its constituents you using terrorism laws, but they just one off things ...flukes.......so we're ok....at least for the time being...right?

 

I don't think the Tories are suggesting that

The problem in offering deals that aren't to do with the legislation is twofold, and this is regardless of what the legislation is that they are trying to get through.

1. The government should not be offering sweeteners that is unrelated to the legislation they are trying to push through e.g. The alleged offer to make representations to the UN over Cuba. What relevance is that to it.

2. MP's that are presumably against legislation then change their minds because there's something on offer to them.

It stinks on both sides.

 

So a few innocent people get held - would you feel that way if you were held without charge for 6 weeks when you'd not done anything wrong?

 

No, I'm not getting my point across

I think a few days extra in a holding cell for a few suspected terrorists is a small price to pay for saving innocent lives.

\you obviously disagree.

One of my favourite "politicians" is Billy Bragg btw, but these are very different and difficult times, and democracy has to grow a few more teeth. In fact today it did, democracy said 42 days, in case anyone missed it.

 

RE: I don't think the Tories are suggesting that

But then at the same time, the whip stinks, on both sides of the argument, then they have the cheek to go on about being bought. They were just upset really that they didn't get another failure out of Brown. Very little to do with civil liberties and we all know it!

 

I think the point is that none of the security forces have asked for it

So why do it? And if even if they did I just think its a scary world when you can be locked up for 42 days without being told why

 

IYou are missing the point mate

People being held for 28 days / 42 days / a million days is irrelevent, even if it's me.

How you stop people being killed on a mass scale by terrorism is the agenda. If you need a small tool like 42 days to help do this then fine.

Should they let peodphiles back out into the community to do their worst, should they let suspected terrorists out to do likewise?

You can answer them questions separately btw.

 

RE: IYou are missing the point mate

thing is, apart from two/three court cases there hasn't been a successful terorist arrest. half the detainees are done for downloading the hand book of alquieda yet government claims that the MI's are stopping 100's of cells a month.

 

It'll be a scarier world when the first terorist nuke goes off

it could even be in Leeds or Sheffield mate, Just think all those suicide bombers lining up to become the FIRST NUCLEAR SUICIDE BOMBER! TOOK OUT WHOLE OF SOUTH YORKSHIRE! MILLION VIRGINS FROM ALLAH IN THE NEXT LIFE!

Anyway, everyone has their own views, respect to that, so I'm not posting on the subject no more.

 

D/T are you chief of Homeland Security UK

or just guessing?

 

But with the current 28 days

Not one terrorist act has been committed by someone released after 28 days without charge!

 

i'm pretty sure al Quieda don't see S Yorks as the embodiment of western decadance nt

 

RE: IYou are missing the point mate

No it's not irrelevent, if they suspect them when 28 days is up then charge them, take them through the courts with the evidence they have - the fact is that with the current 28 day limit not a single terrorist act has been committed by someone released when the limit was up, so why a requirement to increase it?

 

Thing is they don't think like that

If they could destoy a major city and it's people, because they can, they would. And as we seem to have a number of "Yorkshire Grown Terrorists" from Leeds/Bradford, why not? They know the turf, where would cause maximum destruction, a heavily populated city?

There will be a terrorist attack up here sooner or later; I think so anyway.

 

making similar assumptions to yourself. Alot of this terrorism B*ll*cks is just that. While i do accept there maybe a risk of a terrorist act happening within UK land I do feel that the Government has gone OTT with the risk level and have hyped up any threat.
The IRA were a hell of and to some extent still are more dangerous than the muslim threat. Remember, the IRA used top grade plastic explosives within their expertly made devices against crud devices made from bleech and flour.
apart from those directly involved in the bombing I cannot recall anyone being charged with wanting to blow somone/thing up only accessing freely accessable online material.
As for homeland security. I'm not an american national so no.

 

To answer your question

1. Coppers are generally a bit thick
2. Criminals and Terrorists are probably always one step in front
3. Technology moves on at a frightening pace .... see 1 and 2
4. Why take the chance.

Here's one for yoiu

Kid at Noittingham Uni downloads terrorist manual. Stupid boy. If he needed it for research, tell coppers / uni / etc, or not do it at all. Deserves to be detained.

Here's another

Someone makes a few indecent images, not intending to act on them. Deserves to be detained.

Anyway, they said Kelham Island Brewery is going to be the next target, so wise up Rich, it's going DOWN!

 

What a load of reactionary ****

What's up? You sober or something?

 

Yeah sober

stopped drinking mid week, think I might have to go back to getting pissed.

Political debate is *****. It's like a nil nil draw with Plymouth on a November Tuesday night. There's only a few people interested, and they aren't really, it's more of a habit. There is no positive result and everyone goes home feeling slightly disappointed, even they've got a point.

Fannies and Arses.

Up The Reds




(respect) to Jay (and all who sail in him)