A left wing argument against Brussells ..one for discussion?

You may be right but I'm not so sure. If the Scots get another referendum, they'll be gone......

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/four-union-leaders-argue-brexit-8126878#ICID=sharebar_twitter

 

The last part probably puts it in a nutshell.

The Five Presidents’ Report published by the EU last year seeks convergence in “labour markets, competitiveness, business environment and public administrations, as well as certain aspects of tax policy” that would then become legally binding standards with less influence for the House of Commons and the people of Britain as the power of the Eurozone grows.

This movement of power from our local communities to remote EU institutions favours the powerful who have an open door in Brussels.
It is no surprise then to see the leaders of business work alongside David Cameron to keep Britain locked into the EU project.

Only a few days ago, a letter from the CEO of Serco to David Cameron was leaked.
In the letter the CEO set out his efforts to help the campaign for the UK to remain in the EU before going on to mention in the next paragraph how Serco saw benefits from further privatisation of the UK’s prisons. Serco are also the company that stands to benefit from EU directives forcing the privatisation of ferry services in Scotland.

David Cameron, George Osborne, Goldman Sachs, the CBI, the Institute of Directors, multinational companies and the IMF are all actively making the case for the UK to remain part of the EU club precisely because the EU believes in a right wing, neoliberal and anti-worker agenda.

Outside the EU we can get rid of governments that may try to erode our rights and we can campaign for greater protection and freedoms for working people.
If we remain in the EU, our rights will continue to be eroded by people we do not elect and have no power to remove while the business elites grow in power.
That is why the right choice for working people is to vote to leave the EU on 23 June, to take back control of our laws and to protect the rights of British workers.

 

A couple of serious questions, as I have a lot of sympathy with your arguments:

Wouldn’t we be even more in thrall to multi-nationals if we were on our own trying to bolster our economy and form global trade deals?

Wouldn’t we need to try and undercut EU corporate taxation to encourage them to stay/attract them?

Don’t you think Brexit would result in Scottish independence and an entrenched Tory government that it would be impossible to get rid of without electoral reform

 

I certainly don't claim to have all the answers tbh no-one has , it's not been done before , but I think Mick Cash will have also considered those questions. I think his argument is that the EU and world capitalism will be more than happy to work hand in glove is most worrying.

As for the Corporate taxation issue..our Govt will be free and as flexible as the people wish it to be..it may be a great boost for the economy...it may not..but it is in our hands.

Scottish Independence is not intrisically connected to EU membership...though some will use it as an excuse for another referendum..The SNP have no where else to go..it's the party's reason for being .

Whatever the circumstances of UK EU membership the Scot Nats will push for a refendum as often as possible until they get the right answer . In or out may swing some votes but the question will still be asked again whatever we vote on June 23rd. It could be that we vote to remain...and the Scots leave the UK anyway.

 

That is kind of my point. The original referendum was to join a common market, not this united Europe that the common market has mutated in to. I just don't believe that we can't survive outside of Europe and if the future is so bleak - almost armageddon if you believe some of the vote in protagonists then why would our own prime minister have put this matter of life and death in the hands of the public.

Indeed our own prime minister hinted that he would support a Brexit if he didn't get the reforms that he wanted so was he going to lead us into meltdown? The truth is he didn't get the deal he wanted, what he got has a severely watered down package of reforms that some say may not even be enforceable.

I think this referendum will see the end of Cameron, I believe he's now a lame duck politically and regardless of the result there will be a leadership challenge.

Anyway I've gone off at a tangent now. Vote out.

 

That would be the same Green Party who refuse to recognise I.S. as terrorists

 

Beware remain politicians and media lies and scare stories

https://semipartisansam.com/2016/06...ely-attacking-the-norway-option-for-a-reason/



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Yep, that's my thinking too. I am sick and tired now of the Armageddon suggestions and just want a grown up debate. It infantilises us all, as if we can't understand proper grown up thinking, and is starting to bounce back on Cameron and the vote remain doom mongers.

I agree that this will be the end of Cameron. I also think that the vote is now guaranteed to be so close that if it is marginally on the remain side, it won't put the issue to bed, just as it hasn't in Scotland. If the outlook worsens in the EU over the coming years then the scrabble for another referendum will become the number 1 political issue to the extent that it will result in a massive swing to whatever party offers it. I think the EU project is doomed to further disaster in the years ahead and for the UK, and the question of us leaving, the genie is now out of the bottle.