A Second Lockdown?

Just on the mask front is there any evidence to suggest they've helped at all? Not evidence to suggest that in theory they help because of course they do, science is science. I mean is there anything to suggest they've actually helped in reality? Cases have risen constantly since they were introduced

 

Regardless of the political stance cant just bang everyone back on furlough every 4 months and hand out self employment grants. We will eventually have to pay all this back or our grand kids will.

 

Masks are one part of the PPE approach, they aren't a silver bullet. Unfortunately you'll have folk who don't wash hands etc. Does help when you've got these Covid deniers who seem think it's a badge of honour to act like tw*ts and purposely go again NHS advice. Also shows we've got a nation of dirty pigs. You can supply all the antibac gel in the world some folk are so entrenched in their habits and views you won't change em. They're then the 1st ones to complain when lockdown is mentioned. You couldn't make it up.

 

And furlough might temporarily help employees but it doesn't help employers. It's ok giving me money to replace my lost income but removing my employers income means they will close.

 

Plenty. One selected at random.

Or you can see it that cases have risen at a much lower rate than they would have done been had people not worn masks.

I mean it's a bit like saying "People still die in car crashes who wear a seatbelt, therefore what's the point in wearing a seat belt?"

 

Disagree actually. In my experience it's the middle aged people who slag everyone off for daring to go out for a meal etc who are then wandering round meadowhall forcing past people, in supermarkets picking up every item and getting in your face.

 

There's no silver bullet here. That's the problem.

We could run the whole scenario again Trump style and see what happens, anyone?

 

Is there any to suggest that has happened here though?

And no it's not like saying that about seatbelts at all. The analogy about seatbelts only works if you say that seatbelts save lives so instead of driving at 5mph without a seatbelt everyone is now driving at 100mph with them.

 

We can avoid taxing the super rich effecitvely for decades on end, so why not?

 

Well we can't do the thing he suggested because of the thing you mentioned.

 

What do you believe is so different about it "happening here" that makes you think the proven science behind it is suddenly not working? (Edit: Also, you could have just read the link)

My point was that wearing a mask wont stop some people dying from Covid in the same way wearing a seatbelt wont stop some people dying from a car crash - but it doesnt mean you would stop wearing one.

 

I agree they should also be on the list as well. Thing that gets me is we've gone through worse as a nation. All people need to do is act responsibly and wash your hands and look after your personal hygiene.
It's the fact the government by way of public health that have had to tell people how to cough and sneeze.
I will say I've been to 9 pubs for 20+ meals in recent weeks. In all of them I've felt safe, and the levels of PPE and cleaning etc have been amazing. Like Loko says its not the hospitality sector that is the issue. It's not a workplace issue either in most part, most employer's have looked after their staff, its the rest of the time.

 

Well my eyes are evidence. I haven't watched people in American shops but I have seen them in English ones and I've seen a marked change in social distancing since masks were introduced. I've seen those who were previously keeping big distances now brushing past people. Touching everything in sight and taking masks off, putting them back on, taking off, on, off, on. Fiddling with them etc.
The science says that mass stop the airborne spread of a virus but the science also says that touching your face spreads the virus and that it can be passed on by touching surfaces that have just been touched by someone else. Basically yes the science says that in isolation a mask helps, when all other variables are taken away. But that science is in direct contradiction with the science that says that all the behaviour changes that have taken place since masks (and imo due to them) cause the virus to spread.

 

The thing that worries me about this is we can all see folk not adhering to public health measures. This will be weaponized and used to protect Boris from blame, the long game was always to put blame on the public.

Article today written to try and generate sympathy and then tomorrow they'll blame the people. Many will buy it unfortunately.

 

I absolutely agree. I haven't been to any pubs or restaurants to be honest but from what I've seen I would feel extremely safe in them. They've taken lots of steps to spread out their venues and minimise contact.
It's supermarkets which I've got a real problem with. They only things they've done is put a few signs up and screens at the tills to protect their lucky checkout staff. They've been too greedy to even remove one aisle to spread the rest out or one bay to allow for safer queuing and to make that worse Boris gave the big supermarkets a government mandated monopoly for months. They have absolutely raked it in.

I know this isn't actually relevant to anything you've said but I wanted to share this little story anyway. Everyone seems to be blaming young people for this recent spread but I was talking to my friend the other day and his daughter was there, she is 15 (I think) and I have honestly never seen anyone as excited as she was. The reason? She had had a bottle of hand sanitiser delivered which she could now carry with her at school (came on a string she could wear round her neck). And when I say excited I don't mean she was fairly happy or was pleased it had arrived or anything like that. When she opened the box it came in it was like she was opening a present on Christmas day. It was hard not to smile at how happy she was but at the same time my heart sank a little that we've reached the point where kids are getting excited about hand sanitiser.

 

What's it like there for wearing masks in public like is being encouraged despite only 3 infections yesterday? Examiner website has an article of Scarborough photos and it looks like some are taking notice but very few. Sky News keep popping live to their reporter in York and it's rammed there today and he moans you can't social distance.

 

On these grounds, look at this. It’s a totally obvious stitch up. ‘Orrrr, we’re having lockdown everywhere in Lancashire except Blackpool.’ Then faux outrage as Blackpool is ‘busy’ on a gorgeous sunny Sunday when you’ve deliberately signposted people to go there!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-54224544

As usual it comes complete with a damning quote from a random nobhead on Twitter, (who’s travelled from ******* Northwich to be there!!!!) presented as a fact.

 

Arguing with you is like arguing with my mother.

 

Makes no difference another lockdown isnt the answer and giving furlough and handouts every 4 months shouldn't be happening.

 

It's amusing how they find someone moaning at people at a place they were so unworried about that they decided to visit themselves. I was in Blackpool last month and even in arcades saw very few masks. What I will say is that top photo BBC have in the article, that outside bar at the side of South Pier is very well run and spacious.