Academy Report 20/09/08

have to ask jonny coachman,

 

It's much harder now producing players.

In years gone by the level of play wasn't as high as it is today.</p>

The Premier League has taken the game up to a higher level. At least 50% of the players who are in the Championship now would have been in the Old First Division. The number of foreign players in our game has pushed British lads down a level. That 's why Cappello has so few English Nationals in the Premier to chose from and why it is much harder now to bring talent through the Academies.</p>

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So the local talent

Is still out there? Good.
Healthy debate without resorting to personal abuse. Who knows, JC, we may start a trend on here?
Nah, I don't think so either.

 

No they would not Branson stands there barking out orders all the time,lads not allowed to do their own thing,must do as told.

 

Ah, right

Thanks for that. I don't get down to the youth matches now, so I can't comment, but I am interested in the views of fans who do attend.

 

Well thats just my view Kev.

Local talent is playing at a lower level. We will at some point produce a little star but we won't keep him.

What really gets my goat is that there are Wombwell lads who go to the Man U and Sheff Wendy Academies.

In discussions with previous Academy staff I was told they were going into all local Primary Schools looking for talented youngsters. I assume they still do that but at the end of the Day Barnsley isn't an attractive Club for a youngster unless he is a fan.

 

suppose we had a well known ex player looking after the kids. someone they can relate and look up to like most other clubs academys do

 

Well Known ex player?</p>

Are you saying that you have to be an ex-player to be a good coach?</p>

Or do you think Redfearn et al would do a better job?
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That is all fair enough, and I support your right as a coach to defend fellow professionals, but why can Crewe produce players and to a lesser extent MK Dons when we cannot. And tell me this, if it is impossible for a club like Barnsley to produce players, what is the justification for keeping the academy open and your fellow professionals in jobs. Do not get me wrong, I support the club having an academy, but there has to be some accountability somewhere along the line and there has to be some explanation of the failure to produce players otherwise we could be throwing away good money after bad.

 

RE: What evidence is there that the coaching in the Academy is poor?

soz son
eric was a belter of a centre half - who quiet possibly would have gone all the way but for a knee injury when he was 19 - this inhibited him and was the reason his career finished at around 33 at if i remeber correclty chesterfield - back to the argument re coaching
if we are to achieve with the academy we need a " proper football thinking coach"and we need ALL the kids in the area to have OAKWELL as their first thought and first port of call for assesement

 

Hold on a minute. The most I ever earned from coaching was &pound;90 in 1996. Hardly a pro am I.</p>

I am not defending the Academy coaches as such. I haven't been down to see them work so I can't really comment on if they are good or bad.</p>

I am just asking a few questions as to why they get so much stick on here when their critics have, as far as I am aware, no experience of trying to develop players.</p>

I think our Academy is run on a shoe string if you compare it to the likes of Man City et al.
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The only way to see if a coach is any good is to go and watch him coach.
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RE: What evidence is there that the coaching in the Academy is poor?

How would you do that then?</p>

I would have thought all coaches are &quot;proper football thinking Coaches&quot; what ever you mean by that.
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But I am not comparing our setup with Man City. I am comparing it with Crewe. Furthermore, I am contrasting the results achieved under Mark Smith with the results achieved under Ronnie Branson and I am contrasting those results against the stated aims of an owner who has said that he would like to see a first team with 11 lads fom the town. Frankly, no home wins in over a year takes some justification.

 

Who did Mark bring through?</p>

I can only think of Nick Wroe.</p>

By the way Mark was one of the better coaches I have ever come across. He taught me a lot of good stuff on various FA courses I attended. I got to play at the side of him in some coaching sessions, and he's class.
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He took the academy to the semi-final of the youth cup. He finished 2nd in the league the first season that I was watching them.

But you are right, his record bringing through players was not great, only Robbie Williams I think, of those still playing. However, the lads who turned out on Saturday would do anything for him. I do not get that impression about Ronnie Branson's team.

 

Well Known ex player?

Are you saying that you have to be an ex-player to be a good coach?

Or do you think Redfearn et al would do a better job?

Not saying all ex players make good coaches just that young players trying to make thier way in the game need to be able to have someone to look up to for 1st hand experience having FA badges dosnt make you a good coach either Life is about experiences most of which we pass on to others what are the kids at the academy getting passed on i am sure liam bradey at arsenal academy is a big influence on their kids

 

Sounds like he produced a team that worked for each other and not particularly any stand alone individual.

 

Cheers. Does he show any promise?


WHO MR BRANSON OR HIS SON

 

Cheers. Does he show any promise?


WHO MR BRANSON OR HIS SON

 

the clubs profile to " attract " any kid that is considered by schools to have ability needs lifting so that kid " wants " to come down to oakwell and hopefully develop this ability - as johnny coachman you should be aware that standards have dramatically dropped at the `well these last few years and " proper football thinking coaches " develop kids to the benefit of themselves and the club and not give them a 2/3 year jolly then the obvious release happens.
solution to the problem - bring eric winstanley back as academy manager