Adults in charge of Labour - Thatcherism 2024

What surprises me is that on BBC QT Fiona Bruce lets the Tories speak more than any other person on the panel, and when the Labour representative speaks she constantly interrupts them. We all know why…

However , whichever area of the country the programme is broadcast from the Tories keep spouting ‘we’ve put X billions into this and that, and X millions into this area, etc, etc, etc’ no one has turned round to them yet and asked, if that is the case why is the country, NHS, police, the armed services and the civil service service still in such a **** state?

the reason is they have run them down over 14 years and hived off as much as they can to all their mates and they really don’t give a **** as long as their mates look after them…

 

This.

One of the things that make the modern hard left so impossible to support is their pigheaded insistence that you can simply have endless amounts of 'money printer go brrrr' without suffering any economic consequences.

Jimmy cites the Covid response as an example of this working, but it's prompted a disastrous economic situation with normal people facing a brutal cost of living crisis as inflation ran rampant. And thats when printing money for a cause that most of the mainstream saw as necessary and a global rather than local problem (even though it was stupid as ****)...

 

I would recommend watching this video from The New Statesman before you jump in and accuse Labour of trying to be Thatcher Mk2. Don't be fooled by headlines in the Torygraph.

 

The Elephant in the room is the Brexit decision. Workers had the opportunity to welcome European working conditions, but stupidly fell in to the Tory trap of giving them the power to do what they want with contracts in this country. They also ruined our market for growth and took away UK citizens rights to live wherever they chose in Europe. The sheep’s clothing hid the wolf that has feasted on our economy. Destroyed the red wall and gave power to the biggest bunch of frauds, fakes and criminals since Thatcher.

 

The elephant has dumped a massive pile of $hit on the UK economy.

 

I suspect that, although they won’t say it out loud, Labour will align more closely with the EU in some sort of customs union style arrangement. They can put it in their manifesto as ‘we will improve Boris Johnson’s brexit deal’ then crack on. This will bring growth to the country, then in 5 years time they can turn to the country and say the Tories stagnated the economy, we grew it etc.

 

I get that, the hatchet job was done by then, as you said.

 

Thank god they fell short of the bill of human rights.

 

The retirement age has risen under the Torys from 60 to 68 for women and 65 to 68 for men and going up under the Torys don't you just love em?

 

My expectation, as an outsider to the Labour Party, is that the members will get rid of Starmer pretty soon after he wins the General Election, and then take the party significantly further to the left.

If the last Parliament has taught us anything, it’s how quickly a governing party can ditch a Prime Minister, and how little say the public has in anything to do with it.

 

Based on what?

To compare the disarray of the Tories over the last five years with the relative peace within Labour under Keir somewhat flies in the face of the evidence, in my view.

 

Absolute tosh thread from people who refuse to read things in context and have a bizarre belief that Labour equals Conservative.

 

Based on Keir being really unpopular with Labour members, that a leader serves at the whim of the membership, but acknowledging a pragmatism that you don’t rock the boat this side of an election with polls showing you well in the lead.

 

What is your evidence of his unpopularity with Labour members? And why, given what you say, is there no semblance of a challenge to Keir as Labour leader?