All these "Remain" people

You seem to be debating and retorting on both sides ,
Are you a super democrat ?

 

No doubt you've flipped plenty. hth

 

I wouldn't say I'm bitter. That is nowhere near strong enough a word to describe a situation where we have quite probably managed to complete f*ck the economic future of the entire continent, possibly leading to a worldwide depression based on a pack of lies told by people (and I use that term loosely) that haven't even got the f*cking courage of their convictions to try to take on the job that they campaigned for.

Brexit, if it happens - and it looks like legally it will require an act of Parliament that could still be overturned by the House of Lords (wouldn't that be ironic!) is already caused problems across the board and that will only get worse. It will be interesting to see if the French government helps out EDF with the funds needed to pay for the new nuclear power stations that we need to meet future demand...

I still don't understand how the resignation of the leader of the ruling party doesn't automatically trigger a general election within a set period of time (say the next six months).

 

For years Cameron and co simply refused to listen to the concerns of many about migration and border control. Euro elections UKIP does very well - Cameron takes a chance on an In/Out referendum on EU membership. Fails miserably to get any concessions that would allay many of the concerns of the British people. And so the majority rightly voted 'Out'

Cameron et al lovely person*ed it up and brought us to where we are today.

 

I cant understand the clamour for a GE right now. From a Tory government with a narrow majority and dissidents within its own ranks, to a thumping Tory majority with the freedom to do everything it ever dreamed of - and Labour in bits. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas!

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So moving our border back to Dover will reduce migration how

 

Yep I was so good I bought the company
Hth

 

Is the Isle Of Man a tax haven then? Hth

 

How about rather some of the rather condesending comments that keep flying about lets try to think what its like to live in the lives of some of those who voted leave.
You know like the proper working class not the faux working class white collar office monkeys.
the people who work in logisitcs,hospitality,mass production. Those who do the grunt work. Those who keep things rolling.
The true working class have seen over the last ten years a high volume steady influx of migrants from the Eu be it poland or where ever Turn up increasing competion for jobs. Over demand for labour forcing wages down. Lack of job security.Demand for housing in traditional working class areas forcing rents upwards to unaffordable levels. then theres the impact on the schooling
In that direct area. Health services.. With more migrants turning up on a regular basis. With nothing but hot air from the government promising to restrict this movement.

These people. The bedrock of our country have been rountinely **** upon by both labour and the tories.
do you think they actually in the grand scheme of things give two ****s how much the Eu spent on a fountain at a train station?
These people just want to be able to have a decent quality of life for them and their family. To have the chance of earning a decent wage to support their family. Housing thats affordable for what and where it is. Etc.

what exactly would you have liked these people to do? Carry on regardless?

 

I agree with a lot of that. The issue is though its not migrants that are the cause, or the EU, its the failure of successive governments to invest in public services in those areas and replace post-industrial jobs with jobs that pay well. I don't blame people for blaming the wrong reason though because as you point out the political parties have let people believe that. They said we agree migration is a problem when they didn't actually believe it and therefore had no response to it. But it was a convenient scapegoat for their failures.

All whilst the only real investment to those areas came from redistribution by the EU.

Then, 2 months before the referendum they come clean and say all those things we blamed on the EU and migrants, actually that wasn't true. And then wonder why people didn't believe them.

The problems are lack of investment in social housing, lack of investment in public services, lack of additional targeted investment in the areas that due to the nature of low pay attract more migrants, and lack of government intervention in creating secure, well paid meaningful employment. That's what will change people's lives, not leaving the EU.

 

The thing that galls me (barely linked to brexit) is that Thatcher decimated the industrial areas of the UK, leaving a vacuum with barely a whimper from labour, save the miner's strike. Then the mainly labour local authorities were left to pick up the pieces through getting some of our money back for EU projects to build roads to business parks built on green belt where national and multi national companies could swoop in, pay fck all and take advantage of tax breaks, then fck off again with impunity. And Labour councils, BMBC being a prime example enthusiastically pursue(d) this policy. It could be argued that they had little alternative after being butt fcked by Thatcher & Major, but it shows me that UK national govt has abdicated all industrial policy to the EU. We've become hooked on the EU to mop up our post industrial areas, and I can't help but think it's all been deliberate. The buck now stops at Westminster parliament - I hope the electorate and Labour now start to hold the Govt to account. For that we need a proper alternative to the Blarite/bank focussed/austerity based policies of New Labour & the Tories.

 

This is definitely agree with. My concern has always been whether the last sentence can, or ever will be allowed to, happen.

 

That's my concern also - just see how anyone, irrespective of left or right wing dogma who doesn't fit the bill - Corbyn is a prime example - gets treated.

The public aren't allowed to hear what they have to say without the media putting their own (ie their politician/corporate mates) spin on it. As an example Nick Robinson - I listened to him interview brexit supporters in the referendum debate and also this morning Len McCluskey - blatantly obvious he has no time for either and was putting words in their mouth, cutting them off and summising a totally different conclusion to what had actually happened. Whether you agree with a partic political view or not, we should be allowed to hear them out and then decide - not have that interpreted for us..

 

No we pay tax just not as much as you but the standard of livin is a lot higher, house prices etc so broad as its long in fact the new laws brought in make it very strict , transparency is very importantly now don't you agree
Hth

 

"We're from the Isle of Man.
Both my sister and I have lived there all our lives.
All our lives! We wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
That's because of the deviants, you see.
Deviants.
Yes.
Yes! Yes! Did you tell them about the deviants, yet? Deviants! Yes! Good.
We're from the Isle of Man."

Love The Fast Show

 

Yep well I'm from 186 Hough lane Wombwell born and bred if that counts about 5 doors darn from cash stores , class of 82 Wombwell high
Hth

 

Lived with a lad from IoM at uni, always used to play him that clip.

 

The thing is, you can invest invest invest all you want but at some point unless some kind of control is put in place over the numbers entering the country then eventually it will tip the balance and it'll play things firmly into the hands of the extreme right.

its akin to running a bath. At the minute it's filling up quite fast... Unless you turn the taps off it'll continue to fill and eventually overflow.

 

But we haven't turned the taps off have we? Most of the leave campaigners now admit that. Possibly a better way would have been to have remained within the EU and lobbied for restrictions that way.

 

I've not heard any of the leavers I know regret their decision,in fact can't wait to get on with it. You still believing if you say it it must be reyt eh