Andrea Loathsome

see its working then!
Personally I prefer to wait on these kind of matters until both sides have had a proper chance especially when its so obvious when a lot of people are out to 'get' one of the contenders

 

Indeed. The Eagle has landed!

 

She's lost me as soon as she opens her mouth with that horrible screechy voice of hers.

 

View Based on ?

 

personal observation, and conversations but if you think either are electable you are kidding yourself

 

Which conversations were you party to.?
Or shall I guess and say MEDIA presented ,!!

 

If the people that claim to like him but view him as unelectable just got behind him he might not look so unelectable anymore. Won't happen while people believe whatever the media tell them.

 

Personally believe that although technically you are for your own Mp and not the prime minister we all know that in reality a large part of every bodies vote is based on the party leader, their views and how capable you think they are.

That prime minister shouldn't be allowed to say that he simply doesn't fancy it anymore and if he or she does then a new general election should be held. It shouldn't be the case that the out of touch agenda driven party members should be allowed to just pick a person for pm. Especially not an homophobe

 

That should really be irrelevant,
But it's part of democracy I suppose .
I trust most people make an informed decision , hope so anyway.

 

^^This pretty much.

I've never found a politician so likeable before. I actually believe what he's saying. And I agree with him on practically everything I've heard so far. Apparently that makes me a loony leftie. And I read/hear supposed Labour voters telling me he's unelectable and that we need to find someone who is electable who can then force Corbyn's ideas through. Which sounds ********. In other words, have another Tory-lite leader, another Blair for example who will perhaps convert a few Tory voters etc. Then once Labour's in power, we expect them to go left...? Give over. Those sort of Labour MP's aren't Labour at all. Not how I see Labour anyway.

I want Corbyn. I am a member of the party and voted for him. I will be sickened if he's forced out.

Angela Eagle doesn't stand a chance. She voted for tuition fees. She voted for the Iraq war. Was against the Chilcot report. She voted against higher tax rates on banks. She isn't even likely to get the LGBT vote, despite being lesbian. She's just not liked. So it's a baffling decision for her to stand against JC.

Corbyn would change things if in power, massive changes. People fear change.

So aye, let's carry on carrying on. Doing a grand job.

 

In all seriousness Whitey how can you say he's doing a good job when he has alienated 172 and counting of the parliamentary party he is supposed to be leading? I'm afraid I can't subscribe to this idea that all of these people were 'out to get him' from the start. Some were, for sure. But there were a good number who gave him a go and served initially in his shadow cabinet. He has a huge mandate from the members, but if you want to get anything done you have to carry your MP's with you. And his own record of disloyalty on the back benches is well known. He will never be elected prime minister, and I've more than a suspicion he is being 'worked' by the likes of McDonnell and Seamus Milne. Politics is the art of the possible.

 

Outside of the Labour party grassroots he's a lame duck and with him at the helm they will, in my humble opinion, be whitewashed at the next election.

I've said before that he is a backbench protest MP but that's it. He will never have the support of the PLP but because he has such a huge mandate from the members his position as leader is strong.

I can see another Labour party split - Corbyn and the left going towards momentum and the rest of the Labour party becoming a Social Democratic party.

 

Why are you mis-quoting me? Where did I mention anything about a good job? Or that people were out to get him?

I merely stated that I like him, believe in what he's saying and that I found it a rather refreshing experience in terms of the way I feel about politics and politicians. I didn't really go any further than that in terms of JC. Except to point out the obvious, that him in power would mean huge change.

I really couldn't give a **** how many Labour MP's he's 'alienated'. Not that I think he has done anyway. The Labour party membership is bigger than ever and only growing. Because of Corbyn. People believe in him. I have no idea what he might achieve. I'm not claiming things with certainty, like you and others do. You say he's unelectable. I say I'd like to find out.

I wouldn't want anyone else leading, but let's pretend I did for a moment - what is the alternative?

Angela Eagle. A woman whose voting in parliament is at odds with my worldview. There are many other things I could reel off about her, but I don't need to.

That's the alternative.



Not that I give a ****, but the Labour MP's should be together, united. With JC and his huge mandate. A united, together and strong Labour with clear opposition to the governing Tories is exactly the Labour I want, and the best way to make real change. I will not buy into the myth that the only way Labour can get in power is to be like Tories and then change upon an election victory.

Good over evil, every day of the week. Faith over fear. BFC supporters should know that after the last nine months.....

 

???

 

Very possible I would imagine.

 

Is that not clear?

"people fear change .... so let's carry on carrying on (status quo).. doing a grand job (the current lot)"

 

Alienating MP's and being electable are not things that would tend to go together, in my view. And I think that if you, he or anybody 'couldn't give a ****' about alienating them then I think you probably 'couldn't give a ****' about whether Labour ever get back in to power. But respect your view.

As far as BFC goes, I'm afraid he puts me more in mind of Cranie's 'leadership'.

 

So how does that square with:

"Why are you mis-quoting me? Where did I mention anything about a good job?"

You seem very angry.

 

You seem quite misinformed and confused.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/06/30/pr-company-manufactured-labour-coup-part-i/

 

I think people do get angry with this namby pamby backbiting and the attitude of the only way to elect a Labour government is to pretend they are left wing Tories.

The only people who are endangering the Labour Party are those attempting to backstab Corbyn. I've been in plenty of jobs where I've not been keen on my boss. If I'd made this clear in public I would have been out the door straightaway.

For my part I have not voted Labour for over 20 years but as a result of Corbyn actually putting some dignity and belief back into politics I would do so again.

In terms of electability I don't know. What I do know is that people are fed up of careerist politicians from identikit private school backgrounds they want politics to mean something they want politicians to mean what they say boot say anything to get elected. This gives Corbyn a chance. The thing that will stop him is the negativity of the Red Top press and the Blairite enemy within.