Andrea Loathsome

How wounding on the 'namby pamby' jibe!

Corbyn would of course be no stranger to backstabbing. But at least there's two grammar school girls batting it out for PM for you!

 

Only because of the way the media are leading people.
The media especially the Murdoch mafiosi are frightened to death of Corbyn and the people that support him almost to the point of hysteria.
It's obvious they are going for the theory of if you repeat lies often enough people will start to treat them as truths ,and they certainly have the exposure means to do it.
His policies are not what the media say are, mad etc they are debatable, oppositional but very rational .the very fact he is called all these should alert people to the fear that the elitist have of his views.
While ever this hysteria is allowed to be spread without a fair and balanced retort democracy is the loser.
Some of the few people have much to lose ,many have much to gain it's a case of convincing the middle and that's where democracy breaks down with the lies and exposure. If the truth were allowed the Tories would never sit in govt again.

 

How can it be a media thing with Corbyn

when loads of his own MP's want him out!
Anybody who can't unite his own party has zilch chance of getting the top job no matter how genuine his intentions are.

 

Not aimed at you personally

I think if Corbyn had followed his natural instincts rather than being led by the Blairites he would have been a leave supporter this could have gathered him lots of votes from disaffected ' traditional ' Labour voters instead he tried to appease.

 

Re: How can it be a media thing with Corbyn

That doesn't mean make them right.
Dan Jarvis abstained on a vote in parliament against the majority of his constituents wishes who were being affected by these Tory policies being put forward .
The only reason he wasn't punished is because the alternative was to give momentum to the bstds that were implementing said policies .
Was he right.?
Is that democratic?
MPs can also act like spoilt kids doesn't make them right.
It helps when they take their bedfellow media Chums out for a drink though.

 

Don't think thats true.... New Labour, Blairite politics is indeed to the right... but the Tory's since Major, are just wishy-washy pandering to the neo-Liberal elite...hence the battle for the centre ground.... which of course the press love cos they can sway opinion

 

Sorry mate, after sending my last post I've been babysitting my missus' 11 month old grand-daughter. She's a bloody delight, a joy, so precious.

But to answer your question now she's in slumberland, I thought I'd made it clear. I never mentioned JC and good job. Hence me asking you why you were mis-quoting me etc. Simple as that really. As for the 'seem very angry' remark, I really don't know where to go with that.

I will repeat my last post that seems to have given off an angry vibe..

What about that sentence seems angry? I was having to explain myself because you'd failed to understand.

No anger. Just an explanation to help you understand.

Talking politics doesn't anger me. I'm in the good camp. I'm with the peaceful, happy, caring, sharing people. But 34 years on the planet tells me that I'm in the minority there.

Violence, self-servitude, ambition, power, greed, money, weapons, religion, famine, war, disparity. The way of the world. And the majority lap it up. If that's incorrect, then why has it never been stopped? Why are peaceful, caring, sharing people seen as the 'loons'?

Angry? Naew. Sympathetic? Yes.

But each to theirs and that, sithi.

 

The thing is though perhaps if all the labour party members believe his views are the views that they want to lead the country and the MPs disagree then maybe it is the MPs who are out of touch?

MPs opinions were given no more weight in the EU referendum despite it being their paid job to make that decision yet they think that their views should override the views of the majority of their party when it comes to making a decision which isn't theirs to make

 

He's been at it for years, Shame they couldn't have seen it 3 weeks ago

 

Well I just hope she did a big baby **** and you had to clean it up

 

Haha, not today mate. She was "as good as gold" as my own grandparents never said about me.

 

As good as gold is a description I've often head but never in reference to myself.

 

So the media - broadcast and written, the vast majority of Labour MPs, and anybody who is capable of making an independent opinion that he is unelectable are wrong.

I listen to many talk radio DJs who are a not Murdoch puppets and they believe he's unelectable. I have no doubt he's a good, honest man but his policies do not appeal to enough people to win him and the Labour party an election. Labour have been down this path before with Foot and Kinnock - they were unelectable until Blair became leader.

 

Well said lad! The Corbyn affair is partly a media manipulation and partly a right-wing Labour attempt to stop the party re-engaging with it's traditional supporters. If Eagle wins the Labour leadership election after all this maneouvering, back-stabbing and underming of a leader elected less than one year ago who has won several by-elections and got Labour voters out for Remain at 66%, I will not be voting Labour again. The treatment of Corbyn is atrocious.

As far as the Tories are concerned I'm not particularly bothered who becomes Prime Minister based on 150000 Tory voters. I would like to see a proper policy statement from both however so I can decide which one is the most nasty out of two right-wing people. Here again I don't trust the media to be fair to Leadsom, so I'd like to see a statement of intent/policy principle. That would be enlightening

 

You sound surprised at that but of course they can be wrong the last couple of elections told us that .
All these media etc you are talking about have been telling us how to vote and who is best and wrapping as independent thinking for years .
I know you rather hear things from the so called independent media etc but i can tell you as s party member first hand that the support for Corbyn is not just from the fringes.
People ,normal thinking people have joined and rejoined the party in large numbers sick of the Westminster elite and the attitude towards those of us away from London ,Oxford etc.
The politics we are being preached by the media and anyone they can coerce to reinforce their preachings should tell us something.
There's not a sheet of paper between the Tory and Labour centre and it's lazy politics and sweetened media relationships that's keeping it there to the detriment of the majority and the interests of the few.

 

Very good...

I'd like to add about Andrea Leadson... That if she over comes this trial by the establishment media... (right or left, they are owned by the same people, and just preach to the converted)... she'll deserve to be PM.

 

It's a valid point about the centre ground which is why I believe a spilt in the Labour party is almost inevitable and a split in the Tory party could be a distinct possibility if certain things don't happen post Brexit.

As for Corbyn all I'll say is let's wait and see. I can't see into the future, none of us can, but I think it's a safe bet that Labour will still be in opposition in 2020. Actually let me be more specific - Labour will be a very weak opposition and Momentum will be a protest party of the far left.

 

Would agree with that Mr Kempes, and I'll further hazard that very soon the SNP are likely to become HM Opposition.

 

They have done a remake of ' V '

been watching some on Amazon Fire , its quite good. The original was good too.

 

Your way off the mark ,whatever you do don't put money on, that's a friendly tip.
The SNP will be a party of govt not opposition mark my words.
By continuing to hug what is termed safe centre ground both parties will alienate themselves from the electorate anyway. Its only the Media that's helping them cling on at the moment.
Very soon because of Brexit our political system as we know it will implode , the Media will desert them and as usual champion a system that suits them.
There'll be very little sympathy or cooperation for little England,Wales and Northern Ireland .