Angela Rayner

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  1. Mid

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    The Green Party are nuts I’m afraid.

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    He nearly did though didn’t he in 2017 , and that’s when the Tory Quislings hiding as Labour MPs and members plotted against him actively campaigning against their own party in an election . He wouldn’t have beaten Boris and the Brexit mob anyway given the circumstances but they set about burying him .
     
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    Why. Unless I've misread that statement. It questions whether Sections are required when a mother is in no danger. Not if medically required. Some hospitals will not give that service if seen as unnecessary. But some will.
     
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    If you're comfortable with what Starmer says (or indeed what he does) that's up to you. I personally dont think people should deliberately set out to deceive others as I believe Starmer has done. The world is constant changing so why stand on a platform and promise things if you know they may be unachievable? Why not water things down just to be on the safe side? Why not have caveats? For me the guy is a liar, plain and simple. If he ends up doing some good in power that's another matter but he is, nevertheless, for me, a liar.
     
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    Sounds sensible to me, natural childbirth is er natural and medical interventions should only be used to save lives except for pain relief which, of course, should be up to the mother.

    Caesarean births have become more and more common over the years and are seen by many mothers as the easy option. They are expensive as is all major surgery, a cost which the NHS can do without - in cases which the procedure is not necessary to save the life of mother and/or child.
     
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    If you say so. I personally struggled with Corbyn’s behaviour during the Brexit referendum campaign. Lukewarm or what? And look what a mess that’s led to. But I do accept that he was the apparent saviour for a lot of people. The fact that we (I’m a Labour Party member by the way), couldn’t unseat May despite her running one of the most disastrous campaigns in election history, tends to get lost in the telling.
     
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    Not really when you consider Corbyn was up against a vicious media and a vicious faction in his own party I’d say he did remarkably well
     
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    And we all went back to opposition and let the most corrupt set of incompetents in living memory continue the destruction of our country. I don’t know how much involvement you have with the party, but I can absolutely assure you that viciousness is not the exclusive domain of any particular faction.
     
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    Starmer should take the Johnson approach and go hide in a fridge and let Raynor do the talking who is actually engaging can think on her feet and people relate to her.

    one thing really like to know though what did. starmer’s dad do for a job. He really should mention that.
     
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    Starmer & Thornberry were the main backstabbers.
     
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    I think there should be a parental debate where Rishi's parents and Keir's Mum have an empassioned debate about the current state of the NHS and Keir's Dad talks about his spanners.
     
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    Raynor is really good TBF & I think would be a breath of fresh air for Politics but I fear she would upset far too much of the establishment to be allowed to lead.
     
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    See what happens if Starmer gets a majority she might pay for going off script on Diane Abbott
     
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    Is that a euphemism?
     
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    Unfortunately' not committing to implementing brexit was political suicide for corbyn considering pretty much the whole red wall area had voted to leave' he handed the tories the election on a plate. He was never going to be allowed to win though because he was a man of principles and couldn't be bought' notice how much of an easier ride Starmer is getting with the british media this time around' they know he can be manipulated and has shown to have few priciples when it comes to honesty and integrity' a career politician that craves power at any cost. I'm so annoyed that we're in an election year and the Labour party have made themselves completely unvotable to me..
     
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    It's a total nonsense to say the Tory media are going any easier on Starmer than they did on Corbyn. You only have to look at the daily headlines or listen TV/radio to see constant bias in terms of the way the campaigns are being presented. The only difference is that Starmer is less exposed than Corbyn due to his more centrist stance.
     
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    Nonsense' the way Corbyn was treated by the british press and tv media was nothing short of disgusting' day in and day out for months ' a conserted effort to carry out a complete character assassination and unfortunately the British public bought it.
     
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    Corbyn was unelectable, and therefore an easy target. There is just as much bias against Starmer, but he's harder to attack.
     
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    I ask myself when did he really commit to remain. I thought his approach was abysmal.
     
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    He didn't commit to anything' he just kept saying he wouldn't rule out not implementing the result of the vote.
     

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