Another fatal crash

I don't think there should be any limit on passengers or driving at night for new passers but I would argue for a limit in engine size and mandatory black box fitted. I think motorbikes have a similar thing where you can't ride the faster bikes straight away or something?

Aren't all new cars fitted with speed limiters that are linked to the actual road you're on now? I assume that means it's very hard to speed in a 25 plate car but not sure how that works or if it does actually work.

 

Many cars have had speed limiters for years, but what you are referring to is a safety system known as ISA (intelligent speed assist), the fitting of which became mandatory on new cars to market after 2022 and from mid 2024, according to EU law, had to be on new cars sold, regardless of when they were first released to market. Applies to the UK from 2025.

ISA, just like other safety systems like lane keep assist, emergency brake assist etc can be disabled in the system menu but has to default to on each time the car is started, so if you dont want it, you have to turn it off each time. If on, it can just be set as a warning - ie. a nagging beep, if you go over the limit, or it could be set to intervene and start to cut power.

We are still a fair way away from systems that refuse to allow speeding. The tech is still miles away from being foolproof. My car has the ability to read speed limits and displays them on the dash, and is capable of picking up speed limits from side roads, or, a particular favourite is it's fondness for reading the advisory speed limit on the back of a foreign lorry in front of me, which is in km/hr, and results in the speed limit showing on my screen as 80 miles/ hr.

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Thanks for that. Sounds like a good idea that's just not ready yet. Until it's ready to work properly I'd fully support a complete limiting of all road legal cars in the UK to 80mph

 

I would agree in principle, as there is no reason why any car in the UK needs the ability to go faster. The only problem is the application of it because cars are typically manufactured to a common regional spec (eg same spec for the whole of Europe) and the max speed limit is different in different countries, and one, Germany, doesn't have any limit at all on some Autobahns. So to try to enforce manufacturers to make a change that only applied to the UK would just push costs up in the UK.

A good example of this 'common regional spec' thing that I am aware of is that, in South Korea, their home country, Kia and Hyundai cars have an in built slot for an SD card so the footage from the many in built cameras can be recorded and used as dash cam footage. Fantastic idea, new cars are festooned with cameras for 360 degree views when reversing, so why not use them as dash cams too, saves fitting separate ones. Only problem is that dash cams are illegal in some EU countries because of their privacy laws. So Kia and Hyundai choose to not put this feature in any of their cars destined for the European market, including us.

 

Don't know what happened in this particular crash, but in general yes, the young male brain is still developing until about 25. The bit that senses danger is sort of switched off-unaware. So they go around thinking they are immortal. Probably why wars are fought with young men on the front line.

 

If you are caught speeding twice (or get 6 points) within the first two years of passing your test, your licence is automatically revoked and you have to take the test again.

So an inexperienced night driver can't take an older, more experienced driver out to give them confidence driving at night? Or pick up their parents/partner from work/the pub?

 

Spot on regards fr

Of course they can I didn't say they couldn't.
It's been in the pipeline years about graduated licences ,taking the politicians time to see this through parliament .
Can't just change the rules at a whim.
Motorbike licences were changed over 30 years ago regards the cc they could ride up to after passing.
Young driver passes his test can drive a Porsche if he wants.
Needs legislation to change this.

 

Not being petulant but if they got caught twice speeding ,a speed awareness course would delete one of the speeding offences.
However to accumulate 6 points in first 2 years licence revoked ,have to resit theory and practical test.

 

Knowing Bazza as I do. His comments are from more experience of traffic incidents or violations. And the age profiles. So please take note. Especially Scoff.
Everyone has opinions and rightly so..
But someone jumping to conclusions on what happenned, imo is not acceptable. (Their families will be distraught and regardless of which social media platform they may happen to come across increases the pain) once the investigation is completed. Then judge. But even then. It's debatable how far comments can go.
A major incident quite recently happened in the Barugh green area. And as of yet, I don't think any statement has been released as to the cause. (Unless I've missed it) So as to the latest one I'm guessing months away.

 

Not seen anything as yet where 2 on a motorcycle died plus a family travelling in the car.
The one outside Limes golf club.
Same speculation was flying around social media ,on this occasion too.
It's unfair to judge till the facts are clear.
By the way these were not young lads.

 

Unfortunately also easy now to have it deleted when getting the car mapped and it’s suprising how many and how easy it is to get your car mapped to go faster.

 

Also ISA intelligent Speed Assistance can be disabled before journey begins.

 

The change of legislation worked for motorcycles. When I was young, a learner could buy an unregulated 250cc bike capable of 100mph, I remember reading an article that said the Yamaha RD250 was the single biggest cause of death of teenage boys in Britain. The change brought the engine capacity down to 125cc, regulated to 12bhp. Alongside that went a compulsory rider training course based on the Police Road Craft rider training manual. Although I was a fairly experienced rider and car driver before I got my motorcycle licence I learned a lot. I'm not sure all the above is transferable to cars, but I think there are lessons that could be taken from it's success.

 

My car does something similar but I think it's based off GPS and satnav. It's usually accurate. However it has registered 80mph as speed limit on housing estates in the past and I dread to think of the consequences when it was convinced the limit was 20mph on the M1 one day if its speed recommendation was enforced.

 

Yeah, generally based on GPS and sat nav, and if the car can read speed limits, then this generally overwrites the sat nav data and displays instead. As you say, generally reliable and a very useful aid but God, nowhere near ready to be relied upon.

My previous car used to drive me nuts as it would read the 50 limit from a gantry on the motorway when in roadworks, but if you didn't pass another gantry within 15 seconds showing the limit was still 50, it just went 'fk it' and reverted the limit on the dash display back to 70.