Another ISIS UK hostage killed....

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  1. Redstar

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    Hardly. But I see little evidence that this approach will be any more successful than it has been before

    Cut the funding
     
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    Correct.
     
  3. Marc

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    Good. I know what you mean, if we start to live under fear of their actions, they've won. I'm sure you'll do the right thing.
     
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    Absolutely. A sharia ruling has already condemned them for harming a man that was bringing peace and good will and support to people in need. isis are a disgusting group. I cannot imagine how they legitimise this killing or even consider how it serves any political or religious interests. They deserve the condemnation of the world.

    His poor family.
     
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    Correct. Like when our governments want to kill freedom in the name of fighting terrorism.

    No easy solutions but the more we give away the more they win
     
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    There was no option other than to start bombing, the only issue I have is that we're not sorting out Syria too. There is no negotiating with these mediaeval barbaric psychopathic murderers so what other option did we have? You say cut funding, how? How can you guarantee every funding source is stopped? The fact is that they would have murdered this civilian aid worker no matter what - his death warrant was signed the minute he crossed into Syria. The last murder was pre bombing but it didn't stop them and he was murdered, like all the others in Syria not Iraq. The French holidaymaker executed last week by an IS offshoot was murdered in Algeria, there is no end to this evil. I just don't see how the bombings can be linked to these abhorrent and indefensible murders in any way.
     
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    Its going to take a long time to destroy IS but we have no choice. We just have to go further than just bombing raids in Iraq.
     
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    I want good, law abiding citezans to be able to travel wherever they want. Without the threat of having their head cut off! Be it in the UK or anywhere abroad.

    I don't think thats too much to ask?!?
     
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    How do you come to that conclusion?
    Well how about we stop trading with the Countries that are funding ISIS/IS/ISIL whatever they are called today! Countries that include Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc. We wont do that , too many contracts in the weapons game for that to happen, too much oil at stake !

    We will not do anything in Syria, no oil there !
     
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    it will never ever happen mate.
     
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    Obviously it goes without saying tbat i wish Alan can RIP but I have to say that I feel no more of an outrage because a british person has died than I do when innocent people are killed from any other country. Africans have been filming themselves murdering innocent people for years but it gets hardly any coverage.

    And the way to end all this is for all civilised countries to cut off ALL contact with the countries ithappens in. No flights in or out. No trade. No toyrism. No mediaor news coverage. Nothing. They kill brits and americans because they know it will get a huge reaction. Even bombing them is giving them exactly what they want as it turns others in their countries against us and to towards them.
     
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    We're in an awkward position. We went into Iraq last time when the main motivation was oil rather than a need to help the people now there's a massive need to help the people but the Brits & Yanks are terrified to go into Syria / Iraq because of the last Iraq war.

    The media aren't showing a lot of what's going off.

    Isis are going from town to town slaughtering the men & many of the woman are been raped and/or taken away.

    In every town they conquer they're beheading several people & putting there heads on display in the centre of the town as a warning to terrify people.

    What's going off is ethnic cleansing & it needs to end.

    If anyone wants to see what's really going off in Syria/Iraq I'd suggest going on barenakedislam.com but don't go on there if you're at all squeamish & don't like to see gore. There war crimes (if you can call it a war) are there for all to see. These murderers are as bad as the Nazi's & anything else we've seen.

    R.I.P. Alan Henning
     
  13. MarioKempes

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    The bombing had to start and there was cross party support for this action in the commons. There can be no dialogue and no negotiations with these people, not just because they don't want it but because no civilised country could ever negotiate with a group who have such an evil and murderous agenda. Do you think that they are solely funded by corrupt states? That simply isn't true; they get funding from extortion, ransoms, looting and the seizing of assets such as banks and oil fields.
    There had to be military action to at least try to start the destruction of these monsters but this has to be done in conjunction with other options. And I think you're wrong about Syria, they do produce oil, but this aside I believe that bombings will happen there, I just don't know how long will take before this happens.
     
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    They do produce oil, but it is an insignificant amount against the likes of Iraq. About 400,00 barrels against 3,400,00 . per day.
    Bombing will do absolutely nothing to stop this group. If we are going to do something then it needs to be more crippling to them that bombing an armed pick up truck ! Stop the Countries, as I said earlier , giving them money, sanctions against those Countries etc. These will make more sense than dropping bombs on targets that do not have any solid base.
    Why did UK have to be the ones that got involved with Military action ? There are plenty of Countries in and around that area of the World, with more money and power than the UK, why are they not trying to sort out the problems in their backyard? I know they are now helping out , but why are they not leading this war ?

    Cross party support means what? A Jack **** !none of those that voted will have to fight in a war that is not ours to fight ! That will come down to troops that have to do as they are told , while the ones sending in the troops are sitting in Westminster , figuring how they can save money by cutting the armed forces ! I am not just meaning the Tories here.
     
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    What is really sick is we are going to play a world cup in Qatar, undoubtably supporters of this warped view of Islam.

    What is even sicker is Sepp Blatter, the ****ing **** who fixed this up is going to be re-elected as FIFA president.

    Very very sad about this very kind man, who only went out to help people.

    I wish I believed in hell, as his murderers truly deserve to rot there.
     
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    this IS are absolute *******s, RIP to the poor guy and absolutely feel for this guys family.

    Can't believe cutting funding is being suggested as a sole means of beating this lot, for a start its never worked ( we couldn't do it to the IRA and they were on our doorstep) fanatics always seem to have supporters that fund/supply them and this lot are self funding to some extent plundering their way across countries. the time any monetary effect kicked in they would have just spread even further.
    For me its got to be an all round effort, senior Muslim religious leaders need to attack them and make them Pariahs to try to dry up their recruitment that way, yes cut finding but there also needs to be serious military action against them. I think a big part of their attraction to young Muslim recruits so far is that they have looked invincible ,it might make them think twice if they start getting knocked back ( apparently they are having to threaten some recruits who want to leave already)
    Its not helping of course that the countries they are moving across are already seriously messed up but somethings got to be done, play the long game with this lot and they will thrive and it will be too late.
     
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    Sanctions yes but not in isolation, they must be supported by robust military action. As I said the funding of IS is no longer just a case of wealthy Arab states / individuals supporting them, they are now a very rich self funding terrorist group who will get wealthier with every town and infrastructure facility they take. Military action is the only way to stop them.
     
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    The 2nd innocent British people were murdered we had no option to get involved

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    Guy held captive for ages but alive.

    A week or so after start of airstrikes that will have pissed off IS guy who's been captive for ages is killed.

    Guys like Cameron and Obama wanting airstrikes gave him no chance of being found alive. They can condem the killer all they want (and the killer is barbaric) but they fail to mention all the innocent deaths there recently from the bombs dropped.
     
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    How does that work then, given that they have been executing hostages way before any air strikes?
     

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