Any word on what punishment Materazzi's going to recieve yet?

how was he racist?

i heard that he called him a terrorist. what have i missed?

 

Yeah.

Maybe he meant he's a terrorist because he used to have a tache.</p>

 

it may have been zidane's irish haircut

that led him to call him that? or is me saying that his haircut is irish racist in itself? if i don't like school sports days does that make me racist? where does the line end? is there a line? if i'm too drunk to have sex does that make me sexist? if i don't like snogging giant flaming stars does that make me sunkissed? oooo i'm in such a caffuddle...

 

RE: it may have been zidane's irish haircut

The line is pretty far from where the vociferous minority on this board usually draw it but definitely the other side of calling an Albanian a terrorist.</p>



Don't get me wrong. Although I believe racsim to be wrong I think name-calling is way further down the the scale of bad things to do to someone than fashion would have it these days.</p>

 

i can't believe the hype of this whole issue

if he called his mum an algerian terrorist then so what? he's algerian, his mum is, and she probably isn't a terrorist. not worth butting someone over. even if he called him "an african twit" or whatever he's probably been called worse in every game he's played.

people have to understand that human beings have brains which enable us to think. unfortunately we sometimes make daft choices. zidane did. all this stuff that it must be terrible to get a mild mannered man to react is just B*ll*cks. sometimes we make bad choices or just react on instinct.

i think that the issue here should be: why is everyone assuming its related to his algerian birth? who cares? ZZ himself hasn't spoken about it yet but everyone is assuming it's "terrorist/algerian" related. why? why should the 1st thing people focus on be someone's colour/birth?

and don't get me started on the South African Cricket Board's comments on having the 1st black cricket captain of their national side.... it shouldn't matter the colour of people's skin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Having experienced racist name calling I can assure

you that you are completely wrong. When I first encountered it my first and only reaction was to hit, nothing else crossed my mind. I could not believe what was happening and it is very, very wrong.

Serious post.

 

agree

i agree that racial abuse/name calling is bang out of order as most people on here do. i think windy was just pointing out that there are far worse social ills than it:

rape/murder/war/burglary/violence etc

 

I like the irony!

"and don't get me started on the South African Cricket Board's comments on having the 1st black cricket captain of their national side.... it shouldn't matter the colour of people's skin" - You are correct, it shouldn't matter about the colour of a person's skin, so therefore the question should be asked as to why it's taken so long for an African country with a predominantly black population to have a black captain of their cricket team. That is why it is relevant, the whole history of South Africa MAKES it relevant. For far too long in South Africa all that did matter was the colour of a person's skin.

 

RE: Having experienced racist name calling I can assure

I didn't say it wasn't wrong FFS and your assumption that you're the only one who's experienced racist abuse is erroneous.</p>



But answer me this - which would you rather I do, insult your race or give you a good kicking?</p>



I think this is where you try to say you meant something else.</p>

 

RE: Having experienced racist name calling I can assure

So you have to do one or the other do you?

 

Good luck trying to get through.

 

and how many of those things have happened and are

happening all the time due to racial hatred and abuse? All of them!

 

I'm being deadly serious. The first time I experienced it

was by 2 guys, mid 20's, 6ft+., I could not believe what was happening and my emotions jusy flew out of control and I went for them both. Luckily they ran off or I would probably have got a good kicking. When it happens it brings out such emotions, well it does in me, that violence is not to far removed from name calling.

I've encountered it since and violence has always been simmering and ready to kick off, people who call these names do it from real hate, not for a wind-up.

 

RE: and how many of those things have happened and are

but windy wasn't talking about racial hatred as a whole. he was talking specifically about name calling/abuse. yes, i know they are part of racial hatred but not everyone who insults someone's race goes round twitting folk or harrassing people from other backgrounds.

the subject was specifically that racial abuse is bad but that there are worse things. this isn;t a head in the sand/it's not happening discussion mate (which i think you're maybe assuming?) but ask people who had suffered racial name calling what was worse, being called something last week or being burgled and i'd think most people would say being burgled

 

RE: agree

Yes there are worse things, that doesn't mean that people should not be questioned on it and held to account when they do it.
Murder is worse than robbery - doesn't mean that you allow a thief to go free.

 

Having had both I was very angry with each so I honestly

couln't say which angered me most.

 

you're assuming that everyone who has racially insulted someone has total hatred

in the ponte when 40 **** munchers start making monkey noises the very same 40 can't surely be full of racial hatred or are you saying that they are?

remember, some people are ill-educated and say stuff cos it pops into their head or they think it's funny/wrong, just like the kids at junior school who say the word "lovely person" because they know its wrong.

someone on my old footy team called someone a coon half way through the match. i said "what the **** did ya call him that for ya knobhead?". His answer "well he wasn't fat, ugly, old or ginger and it just popped into my head". the same lad doesn't go round firebombing mosques or voting BNP

 

RE: agree

who said that it should?

 

You're talking about the idiots that jump on the bandwagon

and shout stuuf 'cos it seems the done thing. I can assure you that out of the 40 or so you will have a few who do have real hatred.

 

RE: Having experienced racist name calling I can assure

Not at all. As you well know I was explaining where Bingley Red had missed my point.</p>



You don't have to do one or the other but you can choose which one to bleat on endlessly about, which one to stage huge international campaigns about.</p>



It's a case of priorities and there are far more important things we could use all the finance and media coverage to help us sort out than name calling (wrong as it is.) </p>



You, Bingley and a handful of other vociferous pseudo-caring fakes on this board may continue to browbeat the majority with your hysterical socio-political posturing but you won't shut me up. Until you realise you're way out of your depth I'll continue to wipe the floor with the lot of you.</p>