Anyone else seen the alternative angle of the police airport incident?

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  1. dod

    dodgey defence Well-Known Member

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    I can't disagree agree with what you're saying but I'd still cut the officer some slack for his bad judgement considering the situation.
     
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    At least you admit it was bad judgement mate. That’s an upgrade on some of the stuff I’ve read.
     
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    Menai Tyke Well-Known Member

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    No not all but in the context of what could have potentially played out and I don’t think he would have been judged more poorly because had he used his firearms.
     
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    dodgey defence Well-Known Member

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    I think even football yobos would have enough respect to not want to go chinning coppers.
     
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    General feelings? Yep things always go well when we use those as primary evidence.

    I'd like some examples of what you mean we're declining from including why the 'old ways' were better. Particularly in relation to this scenario.

    Otherwise you're just another "I miss the good old days" delusional in my eyes.
     
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  6. dod

    dodgey defence Well-Known Member

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    It was clearly wrong but I do think under the circumstances he should be given some support.
     
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    That's what the training is for so they don't react like that - supposed to be professional
     
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    dodgey defence Well-Known Member

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    So C word and delusional so far, owt else?
     
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    There's bad judgement then there's GBH... If my mate got assaulted while out and I kicked someone in the head I'd be in trouble if I used it as an example of justified force in that situation
     
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    No. As you actually aren't willing to explain your point I'd say the conversation is done.

    But the name slinging didn't start at my end did it?
     
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    Absolutely have sympathy for the officer and I wouldn't condemn a man's career based on one short video.
    Many of us saying it's wrong may have reacted worse in that situation, but that doesn't make it right.
    A full review which take into account the situation, training, support, the officers character, his previous record and many other factors I can't even think of would be required.
     
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    I’d wait a bit with this. If he has previous form it will doubtless become known very quickly.
     
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    True and rightly so, I just think that policing must be tougher than ever and the lack of respect showed towards them is worrying.
     
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    There's tough and not necessary - this falls into the later.
     
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    True
     
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    If we want the police to run towards rather than away from danger, and to put their bodies and their lives on the line; least we can do is give them the tools and scope to defend themselves so they don’t come to predictable harm.

    Personally I’m surprised there aren’t already police protests or even strikes at seeing one of their own hung out to dry - maybe that will come in the event the internal disciplinary finds against him.
     
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    Training? Whilst I get what you mean I think when something happens in real life the circumstances aren’t the same. - Sorry but I feel there’s too much black and white thinking when the middle grey area is just being overlooked. Do you honestly think the copper was going to work that day expecting that to happen? He might reflect on it later and he might wish he did a number of other things but in that moment he was clearly trying to keep himself and his colleagues safe. As I said earlier he will get judged on his actions and will have to live by whatever the outcome is.
     
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    A break down of the 2nd video that was released. But the situation looks horrific.

     
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    Train for the unexpected - also expect them to keep their emotions in check. He'd obviously lost it in that situation hence his reaction. Need to think on your feet in his position and expect the unexpected - he didn't react in the way he should
     

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