Anyone see the woman from Tarn on look north?

I hope she makes a killing.

 

And there we go, woman expresses opinion v the mainstream, and we're off digging into her character to invalidate it. She's only a thick Northerner after all.

I think the proles should just shut up and let the powers that be decide how they should live. Hate it when someone deviates from the accepted norm.

Free speech is great, as long as everyone agrees with me.

 

Is this true? I wouldn't have thought capacity had been reached. Maureen is entitled to her opinion just like anyone else. Reading through the comments to her GMB video it's full of people who hate a difference of opinion and can't respect it. It's my opinion that matters and you're wrong etc. That's the problem with society today and Piers Morgan brings it up in his brilliant new book. All the things liberal people like lose out to right wing views.

 

Just been on the BBC's 10 o'clock News. Believe it said she was formerly a Parish Councillor
in Barnsley, but it didn't say which Ward. They interviewed her at length in her garden in Barnsley. She
certainly holds very strong views around any form of lockdown. Said it's not been proven
that it has or will have a positive effect.

Been exchanging e-mails with my son who since the pandemic first started ,was allowed by his
employer to work from home. Along with my grandson, he's a Season ticket holder in the East
Stand. Unfortunately on Monday and Tuesday, his wife, himself and our grandson have now all been
diagnosed with Covid. Apparently it's present at my grandsons school , so they are speculating
that's where it has probably come from.

 

Another ‘I have no idea what free speech means but I’ll fight to defend it’ post.

she has every right to her opinion, so do you, but so do I and if I think you’re not particularly bright for not understanding her right to free speech isn’t a right to not be challenged, that’s fair enough.

frankly I bit my tongue as soon as I clicked on the link yesterday, after 2 sentences I’d got her down as a Tory, Brexiteer and definitely a Sunday Mail (if not the daily) reader. It was easy to take the ‘I feel sorry for the youngsters’ at face value, but I straightaway saw it as ‘you’ve got to look after the economy’, sod the poor old folks that’ll die.

as for freedom of speech? Feel free to disagree with this too. that’s exactly how it should be.

 

I will never cease to be amazed by the attitudes of some of the sociopaths on this website. Hailing Roy and Renee as heroes because she said she was still going out while he was unwell and could have had the virus. Who’s job was she saving? ICU staff?
She doesn’t care about her own life so she doesn’t mind if she goes out and spreads the virus to others. Surprise: she also doesn’t actually care about those losing jobs. She clearly just wants to do whatever she feels like. The fact you have managed to dress up extreme narcissism as heroic altruism is the true measure of your character.
She’s humiliated the town I call home and half of it can’t even understand how. What a world.

 

I still maintain that no system is watertight but IF, and we all know it isn't happening, everyone ....

a) Adhered to the social distancing rule,
b) Wore masks whenever close to people they don't live with (and yes despite all the LIES some people persistently post on here I DO wear my mask whenever close to people, both over nose and mouth)
c) Wash hands/use hand sanitiser gel.
d) limit or restrict international travel with tests for everyone travelling including quarantine pending negative test result.....

....then the virus has nowhere to go. Without a viable host (when infected the host either dies or kills the virus). Without transferring to another host it cannot replicate and dies out. It can survive for a limited time in certain conditions and on certain surfaces, hence the need to wash hands frequently and avoid touching to many things ( disposable gloves help)

The MAIN reason for why we have found ourselves where we are (and it is not confined just the UK) is the people at lowest risk, and those like the OAP on the news, no longer care about their own personal safety. She, understandably, puts 'living her life' above that. Mental fatigue and complacency set in over summer.
Also 'flip-flop' strategies from Government, scientists, WHO, misinformation and conspiracy theories on social media did not help eithe rand led to this. Mental fatigue set in .. there is no more" Andra Tutto Bene" and singing from balconies here, no more nightly applause of NHS workers in UK and the 'DUnkirk Spirit? as someone called it, Holidaying and mass gatherings on beaches, night time gatherings at bars and pubs in the cities and protest marches without adhering to agreed social distancing have all resulted in the surge.

Lockdowns, given people weariness of the whole thing are probably a last desperate gamble to get the virus back under control.
If an analogy were apt, IMO it would be this.... After the battle of Britain when the rampaging Third Reich suffered its first real defeat, the UK decided the threat was over and halted all military production, training of troops and went back to how everything was. Meantime the enemy was regrouping. Fortunately that did not happen
If only we (everyone) had kept going with masks, SD and handwashing until vaccines were available, these extreme measures would probably not have been needed after the original surge. We had it on the run.

 

You and I agree on very little but I agree, in the main,on what you have posted above. I think "extreme narcissism" is a bit strong" but I defend her right to express a personal opinion. I believe the fault lies with the media and, as others on here the media and social media inflating the story to portray her as as extreme, hero (Maureen from Barnsley for PM??!! FFS!) or villain rather than some woman expressing a personal opinion. We all have those.

What she HAS done, via the media reaction is, once again, shown what an intolerant, divided society we now live in, and practically ungovernable.

 

No problem with anyone's opinion on any matter. I'm not quite that sure of myself though to say anyone who thinks differently to me on a mater is thick.

Argue against what she's saying there - dragging in what she might or might not think on other matters to invalidate her is whataboutery of the worst sort.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...-saliva-swab-test-and-trace-boris-Johnson-ont

I think that's the best way we've got of getting some normality back until the vaccine is widely available. But I don't hold out hope because the vast majority of the tests will go to the same members of public on a regular basis, so even with millions available a vast number if not majority of the country will still never get hold of a test.

 

WOW! and people call ME arrogant!

 

She was a Conservative parish councillor for Notton near Wakefield in West Yorkshire. That is still in tier 2 at the moment

 

It's not whataboutery at all, I'm not dismissing her opinion because...
I'm just saying that as soon as I clocked her I knew the 'type', she'll be fond of phrases like 'no better than she ought to be', there'll be a bit of casual racism, and she'll believe the tory lie that we have to balance the books like its a household. She'll describe herself as 'Christian' but live by the mantra 'God helps them that help themselves', and have misunderstood 'Do unto others' as 'you might as well treat everyone sh_it cos some people will do that to you'

From my first adult conversations with an auntie who had a few bob and looked down on 'everyone' I've had a healthy amount of disdain for this selfish subset of society. In reality they have a little more than f*** all, but make themselves feel superior by putting down all that have 'less' than them.

 

She’s entitled to her opinion but when she goes on to say it’s not Boris’s fault he’s doing the best he can it’s the advisers that’s to blame so I backed Boris and still back him.
That statement loses any credibility she thought she had imo . It’s like saying the atrocities weren’t Hitlers fault it was those around him .
Not comparing their deeds for one minute just the Logic of het statement .

 

It's not at all arrogant - people bleating about free speech mostly think it means 'they' can say what they want unchallenged - they don't consider that others are entitled to think their opinion is worthless. Like you're entitled to see that as arrogant - and I'm free to believe that makes you a bit reactionary

What the internet has given us an interesting view of - is that roughly half of the population is below average intelligence (statistically obvious - but there y go) and seeing that close up.

 

So how would you regard telling somebody you have probably never met, and know little about that that they "are not particularly bright" simply because they have different opinion to you. I can often be quite confrontational on some topics on here and , yes I am opinionated, but I cannot recall a time when I have ever directly posted that someone I disagree with "is not particularly bright". We all probably think that about some people from time to time but it is one thing to think it and another to come out with it. Would you really say that to someone face to face? Really?

EDIT! P.S.Does your last sentence come from the Michael Gove School of statistic (the man who wanted "all schools to be above average" in the leagues tables.

 

Not getting into any of the rest but the last line is nothing like Gove’s comment. Gove wanted something literally impossible, all schools can’t be above average as average needs roughly half the people to be below (as Donny said) and half to be higher. (Donny could have perhaps said ‘mean’ instead of ‘average’ but the general meaning is clear enough to not need to be pedantic).

 

I would never describe someone as being ‘not particularly bright’ for having a different opinion to me. Never did, never would.

I might though describe someone that way if they defended someone’s opinion because ‘everyone is entitled to an opinion’ without realising that also meant other people were entitled to a different opinion. That lack of reasoning being a possible sign of low intelligence.

That being fact not opinion.

I’m not surprised I’m having to explain this to you though. As you have some quite strong opinions and when people disagree with you, you get all Lawrence Fox.

That’s not down to a lack of intelligence though, it’s entitlement. You believe your opinions to be above the proletariat that disagree; your response is to play the victim. That’s my opinion based on the evidence.

Feel free to disagree

 

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It's not a pleasant read on here when people are at each other's throats and I guess it's a result of the whole frustrating, worrying, mismanaged, and threatening situation since this pandemic started.
I see a wide spectrum of views on here, and read them all with interest, some I agree with, some not, there's no intrinsically "bad" people. Just people and all that entails, and we all have views shaped by our upbringing and life experiences. Personal abuse for having a different point of view in my opinion detracts from the often great content on here.

It's easy to be distracted from the real human cost of this pandemic, though I suspect that may be what the Tories are actively pursuing

It's a sombre reminder of the gravity of the situation when you look at the last week's death figures attributed to Covid-19

1,166 people have died from the disease, 1,166 families have suffered a bereavement with all the grief, misery and loss that entails

In one week

IMHO we need to get back to focusing on the human cost as it seems to me that a lot of people think the virus has gone away