Are we having the Hillsborough debate again today?

Re: No, it didn't take them 25 years

That would be a small paragraph tooked away on page 5 - you come here on the day of heysel and show me any shop taking place in the town with a silence - come hillsboro you know it's happening and rightly so. This one isn't publicised in any great detail! Town hall bells? You'd be lucky to hear them as they are right at the other end of town

 

Re: No, it didn't take them 25 years

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...Liverpool-fans-branded-worst-Europe-UEFA.html

 

Re: No, it didn't take them 25 years

You're right. Just as you said from the start. Liverpool don't remember Heysel. There's no plaque at Anfield. There's never been a memorial. There are no articles in the press. And worst of all the bells are too far away. I don't know what I was thinking.

 

And we're forgetting Liverpool fans were killed at Heysel too.

 

You've missed my point completely! Ok there has been a minutes silence but it certainly not advertised in nearly as much detail. Posters in all shops for Hillsboro - you know it's happening. Heysel you wouldn't know anything about it.

 

The bigoted anti-scouser sentiments that come out on here are terrible.

The events of that day were nothing to do with shitty Liverpool fans knifing people or even events at Heysel. At the time trouble at football grounds was a very common thing. I've seen stuff at Barnsley matches, even in Oakwell that were appalling. The people who died didn't do anything wrong.
The point is that people died after tragedy engineered by incompetence and wilful neglect. This was followed by conspiracy to cover up the facts and shift the blame. If my two daughters had been killed in such an event I'd be the one fighting for over twenty years to get answers.

 

Be ashamed.

 

That stand was an accident waiting to happen - went there a few times - centre pen always looked packed.

 

Is that a response to me? If so, what I should be ashamed of?

 

Was problem at same time the year before but organisers never learnt the lesson.

 

Your first point was that there was no memorial. There is. Every year. And big ones at significant mile stones.

Your second point was that it wasn't in the press. It is, both local and national. A simple google search links to dozens of articles from both Liverpool and national publications.

I'm sorry if I'm struggling to keep up as you move the goalposts, but is the point we're addressing now that the Hillsborough memorials are bigger than Heysel? Of course they are. Are we really suggesting that human beings care as much about strangers as they do their own loved ones? Do we expect scousers to be different to every other person on earth?

When the lad from Darton was killed in Afghanistan the whole village was out for his funeral. School children lined the streets. The same happens in towns and villages up and down the country when a local soldiers die. Do we expect each village to do that when every British soldier dies? Do we expect them to do that when every Afghan civilian dies?

Liverpool does remember Heysel and the victims, but if you expect them to show the same outpouring of emotion as when their own died then you don't understand human nature. And to expect the scousers to do it when you know you wouldn't do it yourself seems like a ridiculous point to make.

 

It happened when Liverpool played there the year before and when everton went in the FA cup

 

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Have they had a memorial every year since the Heysel disaster? and a minutes silence? I know the plaque was only unveiled in 2010, obviously the 25 year anniversary was a good reason. Can't remember anything for the 10th anniversary or the 20th.

What happened at Hillsborough was terrible, tragic and should never happen to anyone going to watch a game of football but l think some of the families don't want closure on this, they'll get their answers and it won't be enough. Would l feel any different if it was my child? who knows, maybe l'd draw a line under it we all lose someone close at some point in our lives.

 

Re: The bigoted anti-scouser sentiments that come out on here are terrible.

Nobody has ever said they did.

 

I was in the Leppings Lane end that fateful afternoonand psuffered the crushing outside with my father. I got him to safety outside the ground & got in myself around kickoff. When I asked the turnstile guy what the problem was he recognid I wasn't a scouser & said they were all pissed and none had tickets. Hence the crush outside. The
y were under strict instructions obviously to let no-o
ne in without but once they were at the gate they couldn't turn back. I realised this was why the old Kop @ Anfield waps always overcrowded & swaying!
I feel the police could have controlled it better by checking tickets say 100 yards from the ground but everythings not their fault.it was caused by the Liverpool fans

 

Re: The bigoted anti-scouser sentiments that come out on here are terrible.

And the families of the lads and lasses that died haven't done anything wrong either. In fact, they've been proven right by the evidence it's brought out.

 

Re: The bigoted anti-scouser sentiments that come out on here are terrible.

As an incident I think a lot of people have brushed it under the carpet to be honest. It's a seen as something people don't want to remember what happened at heysel.
People do line the routes for funerals - will they be there 20 odd years down the line - no.

 

Re: The bigoted anti-scouser sentiments that come out on here are terrible.

ITS TIME THAT THEY LET THE VICTIMS REST IN PEACE

Clearly not one person or particaluar incident created this, It was a catloge of events.

But certain people are looking for the pound of flesh out of this.

 

Re: The bigoted anti-scouser sentiments that come out on here are terrible.

Or just pounds?