Are'nt our policemen wonderful

Your grammar is shocking.

Are you asking if all members of the Muslim faith are paedophiles who kill ? Or are they all out now murdering paedophiles - and in doing so providing a much needed community service.

 

I don't know. The first one.

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Anyway I'm off out to chuck some patio sets about. Being a football fan like.</p>

 

You can usually tell when no one is in

It's when you knock on the door and no one answers.

 

Thats right Jay

But if you're in South Yorkshires finest you can smash someones door in like a SWAT team in South Central on a drugs bust just to check!

 

Ah of course

Because it's never the case that police ring doorbell, criminal sees it's police, doesn't answer the door and hopes they go away.

Obviously.

Come on lad you've more sense than to think someone who's committed a crime's just going to open the door to the police and hand him/herself in.

In this case the person hadn't done anything, but the police go there on the assumption they may have done, and just because someone doesn't answer the doorbell doesn't mean no-one's in.

In fact, the proof of the pudding is that I NEVER answer the doorbell unless I'm expecting someone because of all the idiots/marketing people etc who go round people's houses.

If someone happens to have randomly called round and I don't answer they'll ring me.

 

Not really, round here they tend to only bother showing up after the event even though everyone knows the event is going to happen. Quality

 

RE: Ah of course

So what you're saying is we should treat everyone as criminals despite the fact that 99.9% of people aren't. In 99.9% of cases people don't answer the door because they're not in. But because 0.1% wouldn't answer the door because they are criminals then the Police should be allowed to break down everyone's door when there is no answer.

You know what, I don't agree with that.

 

You're missing the point completely

The police don't just knock on random doors wondering if there's a criminal in there and knock the door in if there's no answer.

They had reason to suspect that there was someone in the property who may have committed a serious offence, and that he may have been hiding in the house knowing that the police were looking for him.

So your '99.9%' figure makes no sense.

Scenario: If Joe Bloggs has mugged someone at knife point and then returns home... someone who recognises him reports it and says they believe he lives at a certain address... the police go round and no-one answers the door... I'd want them to knock the door down to go and arrest the Barsteward rather than just go 'Oh he's not in' and leave the scene.

If someone who has committed a crime has returned home and the police bang on the door, do you think they're going to answer? Very very unlikely.

Yes, on some occasions, they might have been given a false address, the crime reported might be fabricated, or the person might not be in. But their job is to find criminals and if it means knocking a door in then so be it.

 

but i dont think they are allowed to take the door off the hinge.

 

I've got the point just fine thanks

 

RE: You're missing the point completely

Totally agree with you Journo Tyke.

They should sort the door out immediately if the claims are unfounded against the suspect though.

 

RE: I've got the point just fine thanks

If you think so.

I'm sure if someone had sexually assaulted a woman close to you and was hiding in his house you'd be delighted if the police just walked off after a polite knock on the door had failed to yield a response.

 

Absolutely

To be honest if they thought there was something to do with a crime in my flat (a person, drugs or something) and they knocked the door in to look round, then fair enough.

But of course I'd want the door sorted out the same day as I agree it's not on just to board it up and leave it for days.

 

RE: I've got the point just fine thanks

If the police have made serious inquiries in to a crime and know for certain that the perpetrator is hiding out in the house then yes, by all means knock the door down and get them. But if an allegation is made by someone, (and remember this turned out to be a false allegation) and the first thing the police do is go round and kick their door in without any other investigation or any intelligence that the accused is actually home then that is the wrong thing to do. I can't believe you'd argue otherwise. There are much smarter ways to pick people up that don't involve the destruction of property. This was not a hardened criminal on the run from the law, it was someone who had an accusation against them and that is all. No need for the heavy handedness.

 

RE: simple job dealing with the drunken mess that is a weekend

Sounds like my kind of place...

 

what are you on about ? you ARE the drunken mess !!!!!!! nt

 

Can i just say, that some people on this site are pathetic.

Yes i agree there are bad coppers amongst us (believe me i know). I know sometimes we get things wrong, but usually we are only trying to act in peoples best interest, does nobody else make mistakes at work?????

As for the comments about the wages, what a load of rubbish - how many people go to work and come up against a bloke pulling a knife on you for example. Before you can disarm him you have to quickly risk assess what to do, at the back of the mind is the one burning question "WHAT WILL THE WUDDA SHUDDA SQUAD" ie the press and certain members of the public say if i do x or what will they say of i do y. And whilst doing all this you are trying to stay alive (people may think its an over exaggeration its not trust me). I believe the wages we are paid renumerate us for the considerable risk we take and face at work.

Example (this is true and happended to me about 6 moths ago). I go to a house to reports of a neighbour problem, i speak to family A and then to family B. i attempt to come up with an amicable solution and look at geting houing involved for long term solution. Family B not happy with this and lock me in house (they want an immediate solution to problem whihc has taken 5 years to develop). dad of family B then starts punching me followed by 17 year old son. I press my emergency button - my nearest back up is 10 minutes away and i know it. Eventually with 1 or 2 bruises i fight my way out of the house. My point is 10 minutes is a long time and god knows what could have happended if i had not got out, s i think my wages are justified.

Before somebody brings up the forces, yes i do believe they deserve better salaries than they get and i fully support that.

Most people on here who moan have abviously come into contact with the police at some point possibly of their own doing and thats why they hate us, however i recognise that some have come across the bad apple as i pointed out earlier there are some and for that i appologise.

If certain people think they could do a better job then they should try puttin in the unifrom but i suspect mouth is bigger than bottle and they wouldn't.

On a final point there are not enough police officers in this country and thats the fault of the government, i firmly believe that another 10000 throughout the country would make a positive difference and help us get to people quicker.

Rant over, if i've offended anybody i'm sorry but its just something i feelstrongly about!!!!. (By the way these are my views and nobody elses)

 

Okay I see where you're coming from

We'll have to agree to disagree.

The fact in this case the person is not guilty is fairly irrelevant, as if a crime has been alleged it needs to be investigated.

Yes people make stuff up, but an allegation of sexual assault is very serious and needs to be treated as such.

 

I mean "the dissapeared" nt

 

no seriously the police round here are shockingly ****. They cannot be called police.