ArrGGHH!! ...

Just with the X-Y chromosome system, I'm aware of a number of different combinations - Wikipedia states it better than I can.

So, chromosomally there are a number of possible combinations available - and we are learning more all the time.

"Humans[edit]

Human male XY chromosomes after G-banding
In humans, half of spermatozoa carry X chromosome and the other half Y chromosome. A single gene (SRY) present on the Y chromosome acts as a signal to set the developmental pathway towards maleness. Presence of this gene starts off the process of virilization. This and other factors result in the sex differences in humans. The cells in females, with two X chromosomes, undergo X-inactivation, in which one of the two X chromosomes is inactivated. The inactivated X chromosome remains within a cell as a Barr body.

Humans, as well as some other organisms, can have a rare chromosomal arrangement that is contrary to their phenotypic sex; for example, XX males or XY females (see androgen insensitivity syndrome). Additionally, an abnormal number of sex chromosomes (aneuploidy) may be present, such as Turner's syndrome, in which a single X chromosome is present, and Klinefelter's syndrome, in which two X chromosomes and a Y chromosome are present, XYY syndrome and XXYY syndrome.[4] Other less common chromosomal arrangements include: triple X syndrome, 48, XXXX, and 49, XXXXX."

 

So how will sticking a label on it change how people think especially as it is not an illness but just how we as a species, diverse and made up of unique individuals?

 

Hmmm. Sorry but that comes across as patronising and condescending. I also had other thing to do so did not have time to address all points raised by you and others there and then.

In terms of this controversy about multiple genders I am not disputing the science. However as regards being wrong - I dispute that. it is another example of younger generations looking at us oldies and claiming we are ignorant, dinosaurs, unwilling to change our thinking and adapt to a more enlightened World.

I put it to you that old age sometimes brings wisdom and clarity where new ideas only lead to confusion. Consider this:

Science, specifically in this instance genetics, has led to incredible discoveries and understanding of what we are and opened up a whole new world of possibilities. Mapping the genome will lead to many new cures, genetic modifications ultimately curing genetic disorders like sickle cell disease and many others. However, mismanaged that could have a sinister side in the form of eugenics engineering and changing our natural evolution. We have already done it in many ways as medical science means we are the only species that no longer follows the natural selection process and as a result have stopped evolving.( Increasing scientific knowledge and technology is not biological evolution)

So they discover that we are not simply male or female chromosomes have many diverse combinations. How is that, in general terms. 'new' ? That diversity is the same as outward appearance.. different height hair colour complexion bone structure etc. etc.

Why I believe all this gender labelling is nonsense it changes nothing as there is nothing to change.. except societies attitude and labelling something that is natural normal .i.e. not a disease so not 'curable' is utterly pointless. People will still have their hangups and all this does is give it a name (explanation).

From a science point of view it may hold some interest for the researchers and geneticists, and these discoveries might ultimately lead to something worthwhile but for the rest of all this has done is open up a can of worms. There is nothing physically wrong with having different makeup of chromosomes so sticking a label on them is not going to make them feel good about themselves if they don't already. Overcoming prejudices in society is the only answer and, again, sticking a label on them will not solve that problem.

That was the whole point of my OP and subsequent posts even if I got the science part wrong.

 

You are waffling on about things that I have no interest in whatsoever or spoke to you about.

You made comments about "hetero and bi" being gender labels, when they are definitely not. Why can't you just be adult about it and accept that that was my sole point, rather than going on about other stuff which has no relevance to the statement I made in order to save face? It is not a good quality to have on a debating board. I said something yesterday and someone pointed out contrary evidence to me- ah ok, fair enough I hadn't considered that! It isn't hard!!! I don't feel emasculated by admitting I got something wrong!! Christ almighty.

I'm no kid by the way, either. I hit 40 next year... whilst I am not as old as some on this board, i give people the respect they deserve regardless of their age. I have an awful lot of life experience that many twice my age won't have. So again, why you have to bring age into it is beyond me.

 

Mental health is a serious issue. If you believe you are a woman, or are more comfortable living as a woman, but were born in a man's body, this knowledge will be beneficial and help you come to terms with why you feel as you do. The same applies to gender fluidity and less binary definitions. Being able to 'give it a name' is not nonsense, it's identification.

 

Actually iI have admitted I got the science part wrong" Nor was it "waffle" just a differing views and opinions to yours which automatically makes it 'wrong'. Then again that seems to be a common theme to many of your posts both political and non-political. Why do you assume I would feel "emasculated" admitting I was wrong. I accept I have been and will continue to be wrong on some things . Perhaps you could follow suit e.g. jumping to wrong conclusions.

To be fair I think we are both highly opinionated ...so perhaps we should just leave it there.

39? Tha nowt but a bairn

 

I've not offered any opinion on the subject at all, just facts which you went out of your way to dodge like a politician.

Quite happy being 39, got plenty of time left on this earth

Hope you enjoyed your little search of my past posts, sweet cheeks xxx

 

Sunday 12 July 2020 - Wellington Street - Barnsley Gay Pride -- (covid-19 permitting.)

 

LOL...So you assume I trolled through your past emails.. Didn't have to ...my memory isn't that bad yet. Certain posters...you being one of them,,, stand out for different reasons. Interesting how you seem to have concluded my opinion of you is based on reviewing your previous posts. Also you appear to not acknowledge that you make assumptions about fellow posters with no evidence.

 

I think you mean trawled.

And I didn't "assume" anything, I know for certain you did as I saw you doing it at the time . How embarrassing

 

Didn't say I didn't. I said I didn't need to!! There is a difference. So actually spend time looking at your profile to see who is looking ato your posts... Really? My comment about assumptions was originally about how I would feel emasculated admitting I was wrong which you have still failed to address. What was the "sweetcheeks2 jibe about anyway! Explain as it is not an expression I am familiar with

 

It's a term of endearment because I love you so much. Maybe you could get on your Bontempi and write me a little song to demonstrate your love for me.

Ohhh Titus,
You move me, with your knowledge,
No man could ever come close to my Titus,
Doo di doo di doo
Oh oh Titus

 

Lol..No man is ever going to get close to my 'Titus (you included).