Arsenal trying to cut knife crime

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  1. budmustang

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    You could have someone's nasal hairs out with those tweezers.
     
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    I get your point here and 50 years ago when i was a kid it wasn't unusual for kids to have pen knives. Then there was no social Media or online organisation of gangs or crime. Kids innocently used them for what they were intended - yes intended. To carve wood and be an all inclusive tool. They had can openers and bottle openers (yes we had glass bottles with caps), they had loads of use. Its ironic that Austinho is being challenged now as the assumption being the normal intent and culture back then is like today - to use it for crime. Shows how our society has changed. By the way we didnt carry machetes or 12 inch blades
     
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    Was expecting this to be a thread congratulating Arsenal for trying to do something positive for their local community a d on a wider scale too.
     
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    Most kids don't carry knives. I'm not sure society has changed that much, you tend to look back with rose tinted glasses sometimes.
     
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    We do look back with rose tints. But its obvious from the knife crime stats that society has changed.
     
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    Ah the tory response to crime, tougher sentences. Whilst at the same time staving the police of funding so that it's impossible to enforce. Has anyone noticed a reduction in people using phones in their cars - despite the tougher penalty?
     
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    The existing offences [Possession of an offensive weapon in a public place, Prevention of Crime Act 1953 (section 1(1)); Possession of an article with blade/point in a public place, Criminal Justice Act 1988 (section 139(1)) ] already carry a maximum four year sentence. Making sentences mandatory is not generally a good idea, and can make juries less willing to convict, as discussed on the thread on the Bristol case. Headline-making statements about proposed tough new laws are much favoured of certain types of Tory politician [prime example: Priti Patel] but they are usually impractical and unnecessary.
     
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    It's certainly not as bad as it was a few years ago, in my opinion. I barely see it now but used to frequently. I'm not sure whether that is down to tougher laws or just being less acceptable in society.
     
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    Yes I've seen a big reduction compared to what it used to be like. At one point it seemed like most drivers were doing it. Now it's much more rare
     
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    I don't read the DM nor am I a dad. I've always believed that sentences for knife crime is far too lenient and doesn't reflect the risk to society.
     
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    I've seen a massive reduction since about 8 or 9 years ago, I've seen no reduction since the penalty was increased last year. I do a lot of cycling and when I meet vehicles I always try to get eye-contact with the driver so I'm sure they've seen me and phone usage hasn't changed significantly over the last few years including since the penalty was increased.
     
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    I don't work in construction, but working in IT for years I carried around a multi-tool/Swiss-army knife attached to my keys. It was very useful for cutting plastic cable ties, opening boxes and other similar jobs - at one point I'd be using it several times per week. Unfortunately (it was a Fathers Day present from my daughter), it was confiscated at Manchester Airport when I forgot to leave it in the car before a flight to Dublin - although I had previously flown both ways with it in my coat pocket...
     
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    Can you explain how a chef would be able to buy a new set of knives and take them with him/her to their place of work without risking a prison sentence?
     
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    Well obviously any law would need to be worded correctly wouldn't it.
     
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    It's simply down to better technology. There's no longer any need to hold a phone to your ear due to full bluetooth integration in cars.
     
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    I’m 45 which is a bit younger than yourself but As a kid I didn’t know anyone who carried a knife, not even a multi tool Swiss Army knife. It would have been frowned upon. In all my years I’ve never needed to carve wood while out with my mates. Bottles easily opened on edge of a wall.
     
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    As a child I was walking down a ginnell to call for one of my mates. As I got to his backyard gate. His older brother jumped out on me brandishing a bowie knife. I crapped myself. Daft thing was it wasn't the knife that scared me as I knew he was my mates brother. It was the vacant look in his eyes. We laughed it off afterwards but for a split second i thought he might use it.
     
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    You missed the joys of carving throwing arrows and the nurr and spell thingy. See we had even more weapons than a knife alone. ;-)
     
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    We used to get sycamore branches and sharpen the end on the cement between bricks on corner of house. Then we'd use them as javelins.
     
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    so you carried a knife to create something far more dangerous than the pen knife you were carrying :D

    as mentioned you could sharpen a stick without a knife
     
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