Barnsley is statistically the 3rd worst place in country to be educated

Re: We've moved down then

I know I few very unhappy parents with kids at CCC - sounds a bit of nightmare.

 

Re: Hardly a surprise when there are very few well paid jobs in the area

If there were jobs no one would sponge off the state.


I wouldn't place too much on these league tables. If all children had the same resources thrown at them our kids may do better.

My lack of qualifications on leaving School never did me any harm.

 

That's only at GCSE level, at A/AS Level (points) we fare quite a bit better.

Not sure if that means we have better teachers at AS/A level or more kids at the lower end dropping about before that level.

 

They aren't facts that prove that the education is bad. For that you need CVA- contextual value added- which shows the progress in the ability of kids from when they come into school to when they leave. Barnsley contains large areas that are classed as economically and socially deprived

 

Re: Has to be a cultural thing

I also know a couple of teachers at CCC, both heads of departments, and believe me it is a nightmare, Ofstead/government continually moving goalposts, ( one of these two's department achieved a 93% pass rate in a school that achieved 35% and when inspected by ofstead was given '' satisfactory ''. FFS he should have been given medal )
Kids that don't give a 'uck, parents that can't see why their little ones have to obey the school rules on attendance, school uniform etc, and a local press that can't wait to ''report'' anything negative, did you see that ''report'' about that poor little darling that was prevented from ''visiting'' her sisters grave, blown up out of all proprtion and so far from the truth that the ''report'' was virtually fiction, but when special achievments are made and our local press are invited to attend the presentation ceromony and report on these achievments they fail to attend. On top of that they once had a claim company camped outside the main gate at home time, asking kids if they'd had an accident at school, at one time the head was dealing with at least one claim a week. That little list is only the tip of the iceberg. They have my upmost respect and sympathy for what they are trying to do in educating these kids.

 

Barnsley parents are statistically the 3rd worst in country at bringing up kids

There, fixed it for you.

 

Re: Barnsley parents are statistically the 3rd worst in country at bringing up kids

very funny wakey, not, there are fundimental social problems of long standing that are being passed from generation to generation and successive governments have only paid lip service to them, they seem to think that publishing league tables of attainment is the way to solve the problems, it was mentioned in another post about value added to the kids, well, a few years ago, pre CCC, Ed Sheerian was very well thought of with regards to value added, they were and probably still are getting an intake of kids with basic skills equal to 7 year olds and whilst not getting good A to C results they were achieving some kind of qualification when they left, but like I said, ofstead and government moving the goal posts starts to blur things like value added.

 

Jeez any negativity about Tarn and its inhabitants, & its like a feeding frenzy..

Yet let a rival fan call us Dingle inbreds, uneducated, unwashed etc. and no doubt that some of the same people are defending it like a knight in shining armour.
Incidentally, I work in a big office in Tarn and many of my colleagues are not local, and you rarely hear them have a bad thing said about it.

 

Over achieving again...

.. they had us down to finish bottom.

 

The figures are only for so called Academic subjects

and don't include vocational qualifications.

The Tories only understand the narrow education they received as pampered pooches in their Private Schools.

Vocational qualifications are not an easy option but are more accessable to some kids than academic qualifications.

It was Maggies lot who introduced the National Curriculum which set us off on the rocky road we are on now.

As for Mr Gove, this is the man who said too many Schools were below the National average.
We have a man in charge of education who doesn't understand averages.

 

Re: Barnsley parents are statistically the 3rd worst in country at bringing up kids

Many people around the world have jack all compared to us in the UK, including people from Barnsley. At the end of the day children are a reflection on their parents, not their teachers. Its a sad fact that too many parents in our region do not put enough weight on the value of a good education, and no measure on league table attainment is going to change that, indeed, this year the league tables are more honest in their assessment of the ability of schools to get kids 5 GCSEs rather than 5 mickey GCSEs. I went to Mexborough comp in the 1980s I saw enough to understand that some people just do not give a flying f*k about their future, on the other hand I could not wait to get out. The sad thing is moving 35 miles all the way to Wakefield, it was as though I had emigrated to Australia to such a weird and wonderfully exotic world.....until we have a generation of children who have the desire to improve their lot through better education or work, then they will take the lead from their parents and spend their lives on the sick.

 

Re: Over achieving again...

Its all about mixed messages....don't have unrealistic expectations then you can say you are overachieving even if you are failing.

 

Re: Over achieving again...

Parents instill the value of discipline and worth of an education in a child. If children enter the school system having never received these values from their parents, they will, more often than not, fail to achieve the academic standards of those that do.

I believe that it is therefore not correct to criticise the teachers or the children for the poor results of the schools of Barnsley.

As a previous poster has said, those that have achieved academic success in Barnsley tend to leave the area for work befitting their achievements. It follows, then, that their children are brought up elsewhere, and the cycle continues.

I've heard Barnsley being referred to in the past as being stuck in a time-warp, and hear all sorts of regurgitated, bygone excuses about what has caused it. Mostly one Woman, would you believe it? I would say it's a perpetual time-warp resultant from the cause and effect of habitual underachievement and the low expectations that that delivers from one generation to the next.

But then I no longer live there, and neither will my children.

 

Re: Has to be a cultural thing

some of the kids around here are wasters though, even at 16 you can tell they'll end up on Jeremy Kyle at some point.