Barnsley lass on X Factor

i stopped watching Cowell and his cronies some time ago..both the X factor and Britain's got talent mock a lot of people who its obvious have learning difficulties, they set too many up for a fall and laugh at them rather than with them.

Last night the wife and our son where watching X factor and i couldn't help but notice how Cowell and his gang set up the young woman who was a fitness instructor ..yes she wasn't very good but they poked fun at her then rubbed salt in the wounds by showing the scouser who pulled herself to pieces but had a good voice ...thankfully my time in front of the telly was only brief.
Imagine how those poor folk must feel having to live with the embarrassment of Cowells remarks.

Many years ago i got invited to appear on a pilot show that was hosted by James Whale at Yorkshire television, The show was loosely based on the old American Gong show, a show whereby folk showed off their talents and aimed to stay on stage as long as possible before a over sized hook appeared and dragged them off much to the audiences merriment.

I turned up at the studio in Leeds and even though i say it myself i was looking very smart , the lass i was with at the time could quite easily passed as a model and could have fetched ducks of the water, such were her looks.

We were greeted at the reception and then introduced to a very large room full of people ...everyone fell silent as we entered the room ..it was as if they where dumb struck as all eyes were on my girlfriend and myself.

I was shown to a changing area and no sooner had i started to get change, i became aware that James Whale was stood at the side of me ...
The room was full of nervous tension , as he opened his mouth to speak ( Whale ), he put his hand on my shoulder and shouted , (i kid you not, the following )...

People let me tell you something ..I'm James Whale, this is my show,

Im not having people on here, who , clearly dress smarter than me, ( squeezes my shoulder ) look smarter than me squeezers my shoulder again ) and probably are smarter than me ..

before he could say another word ..i piped up ....

Looks like the ******* lot of us are going home then....

To which everybody in the room including camera men production staff all burst out laughing....

Whale just stormed off papers went up in the air as he barged through a crowded changing area

The producer came over asked to see my schedule and to check the jokes i was going to tell were suitable for a late show, baring in mind it was live , whilst it was a bit near the knuckle he said they had no problem with it, as long as i stuck to my presented script.

The production was taking place across 3 small stages i was scheduled to be the 4th act on however Whale in all his glory trying to un nerve me kept going to the next act and over looking me...

i was totally fine with this, because off camera i was getting laughs with the way i was mimicking stuff that was taking place and i was becoming more relaxed..
In my ear piece i can hear the production crew on at Whale, about what he was doing, by ignoring me ..suddenly whale goes... A man who thinks hes funny in his own lunch time but i guess his name will last longer than him,,,,,I'm on ..I got the first 3 lines out of my first joke ..when Whale goes right lets take our first call on his act...hello caller number One , dont you find him to be crude.. caller number one ...woman on phone goes eer yes..cut off right next act is
.In my ear piece production staff are going mental ..
Im being told to carry on to stay where i'am and to continue..but to no avail. show ends Whale rushes off somewhere , out of every-bodies way ..I have production staff running around apologizing ..i have the Grumbleweeds who were guests on the show Complaining about his actions, shaking my hand and telling me , to keep at it, don't loose the faith , it was mayhem.
All in all not a very pleasant situation
That said i wasnt complaining later ..i got a further £50 added to my usual clubland fees week in week out , i also picked up some very good work from it too
To this this day I get reminded off it by some who just think they are been clever and are getting one over on me but dont know all the above ....yes at the time It did make me look bad , however i didnt let it bother me, unlike no doubt some of those poor souls who Cowells ripped to shreds all in the name of entertainment over the years and have had no way of defending themselves

 

Right pile of crap and if these people had natural talent they would not have to go on garbage like this as for cowell the blokes a tool of the highest order!

 

what makes it worse, is they audition in a room, in front of others, before they get as far as the camera audition, that then pokes fun at them.

 

Apologies ST. It should have read multiple No 1 records. It's a fact that Little Mix, Alexandre Burke and Leona Lewis
look to have had more than one No 1 hit. Like Hughie Green before him it also looks like one of the pre-requisites an artist
has to agree to if they succeed, is to sign up to Cowells Syco label and following their win on XFactor the successful artists winning song uncannily seems to go to No 1 in the charts. He also signs runners up and those who in his opinion might make
him money.

Looking at their discography it seems that every one of them has been on his label before eventually leaving to sign elsewhere. Il Divo and Susan Boyle have done the same. Sorry, but like a lot before him, the man is a parasite who has made millions on the back of other people's talent.

 

Instead of watching Cowell and his lot I watched Dragons Den and cheered Barnsley entrepreneur
Clare Gelder on in her quest to get investment. Well done Claire she did it.



http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/south...ur-lands-investment-on-dragon-s-den-1-8735096

 

The majority of the acts who get through to the live shows are scouted months, if not years in advance, and the judges know all about them. You are very very lucky if you attend auditions off your own back and get past stage 1.
So basically the X Factor is just a platform for Cowell and his label to experiment and see what acts get the best reactions.

 

1D lads are supposedly worth around 50 million each. So if they have a combined quarter of a billion fortune I would love to know how much Cowell made off them as the manager. James Arthur has just cracked America and featured on the Summerslam 2017 song. Rylan Clark Neale will be a millionaire too. Louisa Johnson has featured on a few big hits but granted one was Grenfall charity single and another featured Clean Bandit who are a success with every single they release. Think that Joe Mcedlery has done well in theatre work. Over 40 X Factor number 1 songs and 250 million records sold so Cowell will keep churning his money show out for years to come.

 

Slagging off X factor fif

I grew up in the 1980s none of the winners of the X factor are as bad as any of the toss Stock Aitkin and Waterman subjected us to then. Period. Look, manufactured pop has been around since Presley, deal with it.

 

However you dress it up, the X Factor is just a Karaoke competition (same as The Voice and most of the singers on BGT). The winners have some singing and performance ability, but that does not mean that they can write great songs or play instruments on their records. I'll always have more respect for someone that can play (e.g. Busted, McFly) or write their own music (e.g Take That) even if I think they are crap than a group that can just sing (X Factor winners).

 

I didn't explain my point too well initially, so I'll attempt to do so now, as I've got a bit of time today.
I'll compare an X-Factor artist to someone like Ed Sheeran (someone I'm not a fan of, but who writes his own music and has found his own deals).

Firstly I think only Leona Lewis & Little Mix actually won the competition?

Think of all the other winners & people who signed up to Cowell's production team. If their product didn't sell they are still signed up, but if Cowell doesn't release anything their music career is effectively ended. (This is similar to anyone signing to a major label too. They will have to buy themselves out of their deal).

In terms of earnings X-Factor winners will get about a 5% royalty on the dealer price (not the retail price) of physical sales & downloads (Cowell getting the other 95%).

When signing a deal an artist has their own publishing. This used to cover sheet music & radio, but now covers Youtube & streaming media, like Spotify. In return for a fee an artist may sign a publishing deal, which will only give them a percentage of these monies, but they will get an upfront fee. That is down to the artist. As Cowell keeps publishing he gets the vast majority of all these streams too.

Now for live music (where the real money is now). Normally an artist will find a tour promotor (that may be done via the label, if it is a major).
The promotor takes the risks, hires venues & sets ticket prices & takes the profits losses & the artist gets a per night fee. Guess who controls this when you sign up to X-Factor, oh yes Mr Cowell's company ... hmm. You end up just doing tours that he promotes, unless he is made an offer by an outside agency HE likes. Hence you're highly unlikely to see one of his artists on at say Glastonbury, until the contract has expired.

Not a very good deal I'd argue, if you compare to Sheeran, who has all his publishing streams, the power to appoint his own tour promotors & choose to do what he wants with his career. I'm not a fan of Ed, but if you check his bank account he'll be worth a pretty penny.

 

Not macho, but if you read my last post you'd see why I don't think it is any good for artists, It's a rip off basically.
I get your point, but if there were 8 people stood on the edge of a cliff & one had to be pushed off as part of a twisted reality TV show & one of them was from tarn I wouldn't be cheering for the one from Barnsley to get the push.

 

I work in music full time & I've known so many great talents have their careers ruined by signing ill advised contracts when they are starting out,
Sorry, I get your point that it's just light entertainment to you & millions of others. The Romans were a civilised race & they fed Christians to the lions.
Each to their own I suppose...

 

Like I said earlier though the people I mentioned are all multimillionaires because they went on X factor. Sure if they had somehow managed to get exposure from somewhere else they could have got a better deal and maybe Louis from Donny would have £100m in the bank instead of only £50m but he had no way of getting that exposure so he went on there and it transformed his life as it has done for so many others.

Ed sheeran got extremely lucky. His online YouTube stuff went viral but for every ed who went viral there are a thousand other equally as talented artists who's videos don't go viral because they aren't shared on the right website at the right time. I've seen some absolutely amazing artist on YouTube who's videos have had just a few hundred views.
Ed is also worth a reported £50m. The same as each one direction members reported wealth.

What I'm trying to get at is that as a singer who has never had the breaks I don't see anything wrong with going on cofactor, getting instant national exposure and let's be honest a pretty damn good contract if you are successful. If you go on xfactor and you don't make it then you were never going to make it.

I also don't think it's fair to compare signing a contract with Simon cowel who has a proven track record as a successful music producer to pushing someone off a cliff.

 

Have to agree to disagree on this.

 

All ****. Music bought by kids

 

I like it when people say that like it's a bad thing