BBC seems determined to portray the EU Veto ...

Re: However, it's worth remembering

Thought better of the National Front rant

 

Re: However, it's worth remembering

Cameron has done what's best for the 1sq mile of land known as the City of London. This apparently is "what's best for Britain".

 

Re: However, it's worth remembering

I was sent some figures by an anti-EU person and one of those figures said that the net cost of the EU to each household in the UK is less than the price of the TV licence. (Well actually it said it was £112, I made the comparison the the TV licence fee). That's when you subtract what we receive from the EU to what we pay in. I think that's a reasonable cost.

 

Re: However, it's worth remembering

Expressing your unease or disapproval of mass immigration from the poorer nations of Europe, whether it result in changes to your environment or job prospects, is not, despite your assertion, a National Front rant.

But you go on believing that.

 

Re: Not a huge fan of some aspects of the EU BUT

Since we are one of only two net contributors to Europe it would be accurate to say we paid for that ourselves.

 

A further thought

All the talk of a "veto" is ******. A veto is where you prevent something from happening by casting your vote against it. Cameron has done no such thing. He just lost.
He wanted to change the voting system on changes to the city rules from majority to unanimity (which it has been since Thatcher fought for it in 1986). The countries that normally support us hadn't even been consulted about this change - totally inept diplomacy. Sarkosy and Merkel didn't need to argue about it. Sarkosy got exactly what he wanted (us on the outside). He rubbed it in brilliantly by by-passing Cameron's attempted handshake. Game, set and match.

 

Do you make a habit of talking Bo**ox?...

Please make sure you know what you are talking about before hitting 'Enter' Yes it WAS a veto as if all members had voted yes a new treaty would have become enshrined. By vetoing this it means that only an intergovernmental agreement will now be implemented which is NOT the same thing.

Incidentally, this business of protecting the banks, if Cameron had not used the veto we would have actually been restricted from being able to implement more stringent controls over the banks as per the Vickers report (the EU restrictions and 'transaction tax' stops well short of those recommendations). It would also have meant, in the longer term many of the EU transactions could only be handled by banks within the Eurozone which of course the City of London is not part.

 

FAO Bright Red...PS.....Read this!

Re the Veto... By using it we are no as UK citizens exposed to any ruling regarding the proposed treaty that was being discussed. Intergovernmental agreemenst have to obtain 'aproval' from the state parliament.......

Within the EU, there are various forms of cooperation between the Member States. In order to understand the EU, it is necessary to realise that at an overall level there are two different forms of cooperation, which bind the countries in different ways. The type of cooperation involved will depend on which treaty forms the basis for the cooperation.

Part of what makes the EU so unique in international politics is what is known as supranational cooperation. Supranational cooperation means that rules can be made in the EU which have a direct impact on the Member States and thereby also a direct effect on the citizens of the Member States. EU cooperation relating to the internal market, agriculture, fisheries, etc. are examples of areas in which there is supranational cooperation. The provisions relating to this cooperation are set out in the EC Treaty.

There is also what is known as intergovernmental cooperation, which is the traditional form of international cooperation between counties. Basically, intergovernmental cooperation means that the rules that are adopted only bind the States. This means that the Danish Parliament must approve the EU’s intergovernmental rules before they can have a direct effect on the citizens of Denmark .

Intergovernmental EU cooperation is used in political areas where it might be difficult for countries to enter into a form of cooperation as close as supranational cooperation. Intergovernmental cooperation is therefore used in areas of police cooperation, legal cooperation relating to criminal cases and the Common Foreign and Security Policy. The provisions relating to this cooperation are set out in the EU Treaty.