Being competitive in the Championship

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  1. Sim

    Simon De Montforte Well-Known Member

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    I think therein lies the problem. You're an accountant so everything is done by the balance sheet, there is no grey area.
    You say you're trying to get people to think differently when in actual fact you're asking them to stop dreaming and get used to life in League 1..
    Football is not like any other business, it is an emotive sport where the underdog can dare to dream. If it was simply about finance then Sheffield United and Burnley shouldn't be competitive in the Premier League. Brentford and Preston shouldn't be competitive in the Championship. What were Wycombe, Burton Albion and Fleetwood even doing in League 1 with the likes of Sunderland, Portsmouth and Coventry never mind being promoted/reaching the play-offs? I respect your opinion and facts but you have to respect other people's opinions as well.
     
  2. TitusMagee

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    Spot on!!
     
  3. lk3

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    Think that’s why he asked if there was a clause.
     
  4. jedi one

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    its like having a "ransom strip" around a valuable piece of land it cannot be sold off to anyone for a quick buck without the others permission 50/50
     
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    This idea that the club had to sell Pinnock because he was offered more money by Brentford is possibly the most frustrating aspect of reading some of the posts on this board. Let’s say that Brentford offered us £200k rather than whatever they paid us, but offered Pinnock an even better contract than the one they offered him. Presumably poor old Barnsley Football Club would have been obliged to sell him because, after all, you can’t deny the lad the chance to earn more money. Too daft to laugh at.
     
  6. Sup

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    I don't know why Brentford wasted money offering us anything at all. Surely as I have been repeatedly told on here players aren't slaves so it's only moral that we drive them to other clubs once a week to help them better themselves.
     
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  7. Gordon Owen

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    That's the only way we could have kept him, plenty of threads about how much 20k works out over a year compared to relegation losses, search them.
     
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    Redhelen Well-Known Member

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    Could have been win win for both us and Brentford if we'd have kept him till Jan, or even if they'd bought him and loaned him back till Jan.
     
  9. Sup

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    So he had a clause that we HAD to sell him? Why hasn't the club ever said so?
     
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    He was under contract for God’s sake. What’s so difficult to understand about that? There are only three logical explanations for him being sold. Firstly, the club felt the offer from Brentford met their valuation. Secondly, a release clause was triggered, but the club decided not to tell us, possibly because allowing a signing from a then non-league club to have one in their contract would make the club look even more incompetent. Or, and in my view this is the most likely scenario, Conway’s statement that any player in the final year of their contract would be sold kicked in and the club decided to cash in. It was the club’s decision to sell. It was the club’s decision to sell. It was the club’s decision to sell. Repeat to fade.
     
  11. Gordon Owen

    Gordon Owen Well-Known Member

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    Come on, a club comes in to treble his wages and take him home, what do we do? How is that so difficult for Barnsley fans to understand?
     
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    You dont know association football if you think being "contracted" means anything to a professional footballer, it simply means the club will get something when they sell him. You've completely missed out the repeated news that we offered to make him the highest paid footballer in the history of the club.
     
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    He chose to sign a contract. Not only did he choose to but he selected a specialist agent to help make sure he was making the right decision when he signed it.

    Why would I have any sympathy for a player who decides they want to break that contract?

    Not that I believe it to be the case. Paul conway stated that it was our intention to sell him when he didn't want to extend his contract.
     
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    And if they’d offered £200k?
     
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    I know exactly what a contract is.
     
  16. Sup

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    It meant Marley Watkins stayed and helped keep us up
     
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    He was worth nowt, hence his career since.
     
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    "As I have stated before, the club will sell a player with less than one year left on their contract if they will not accept our contract extension offer." - Paul conway
     
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    And the contract offer we gave him, then?

    So, in a nutshell.

    We didn't want to sell him otherwise we wouldn't have made a contract offer, he could earn loads more elsewhere in the area he's from with a club that's aiming for the Premiership. Yeah, make him stay at the club and play, he'll be in the right frame of mind and we can let him go for nowt at the end of the season, when we probably would have been relegated anyway.
     
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    Spot on
     

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