"Bend the rules people will die"

The argument that YOU can make risk assessment and avoid compromising you, and those around you is flawed because so many don't. I could argue as a trained ex driving instructor, additional specialist training and many years of driving experience can drive at speeds appropriate to the conditions and hazards and so have no need to take notice of speed limits. That is, of course, nonsense. Mixing drivers of various levels of competence, anticipation and reaction times (less important for experienced drivers who can anticipate hazards) in the same environment requires the bar to be set relatively low.

When it comes to the arguments to why the UK death rate is high by comparison there is no doubt that the flip-flopping and slow response in the first wave caused considerable failure of the system. There are a number of other factors.

The UK does have the highest obesity rate in Western Europe. That is over 25% of the population. International travel was insufficiently monitoredwith people untested free to come and go. It is also clear that there is a trend that countries with the highest density populations (also linked to the average age of population) have suffered the most deaths. This is confirmed by the fact that in Italy the greatest number of deaths per 1k population have occurred in the North and the densely populated commercial and industrial regions. In our more rural, less industrialised, region the hotspots for cross infection have been the major conurbations. Daily reports of Covid related deaths in our region have, without exception show every single one had existing health issues and over 97% were in the 75 to 105 year old bracket.
Lock down has been adhered to here and the numbers have gone down (nationally) from nearly 40k new cases per day to around 11k per day. In addition daily reports of positive tests have fallen from 32% to around 8% but these may be because more free mass testing has been carried out recently whereas before they were probably only targeting testing with cases of people with symptoms.

I did not see the TV interview that posters refer, so am unclear as to exactly what and how it was said, but note that a poster on here clearly believes stating a scientifically proven fact that age and obesity are a factor in the severity of Covid systems and impacts upon numbers of Covid related deaths was tantamount to implying it is all the fault of those falling within those two categories and is "insulting and obscene"' is clearly allowing personal prejudices to cloud his judgement.

 

Here’s where all this idiocy leads to.

 

That poor patient

 

We've had enough of experts....

Suck on an orange, pop a zinc tablet... don't know what all the fuss is about!

Unbelievable

 

What about poor hospital staff too. As if they haven't enough stress to deal with without having to cope with morons (and yes that is exactly what they are) arguing with them. he categorically states a number of times if the patient leaves he WILL die. Jeez!! he could not have made it clearer. Adn the guy apparently would not even wear a mask stating he was exempt. Apparently the Doctor is breaking the law asking for evidence of that in spite of the risks he is imposing on staff patients and ancillary staff in the hospital. Words fail.

 

The full video is on ladbible linked within the tweet. What a complete set of see ya next tuesdays.


https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-...t-20210126.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

 

Poor patient thinks theres nothing wrong with him however he may lack capacity to be fair so will give him the benefit of the doubt.

 

People don’t understand that repeating the idiot points of the Covid skeptics has a real impact on people and causes abuse of medical staff and risks lives. It would be good if people on here who do that could step back and think about the real impact of their words and actions.

 

I don't think anyone has been saying that- just want people to die- of late Loko though, there were a few people saying stuff like that in March but not as much now. People pushing for pubs to be opening when 1000 plus dying daily is likely to attract some criticism and questions though!

There are people on here that cannot see beyond their own vested interests and whilst that is understandable and people are stressed out, they need to look at it from all sides.

I live alone, my job security is not great, my mental health is not great. I have a long haul flight booked for my 40th in June.... why on earth would I want any of this at all?!?!?!?

If we could guarantee that the leisure and entertainment industry was fully funded until safe to reopen, who is left to criticise them being closed right now? I would imagine people desperate to go down the pub in the middle of a pandemic, am I wrong? It isn't essential to do that right now. Like I say though, if you agree with restrictions then in many's eyes on here then you want people to lose their jobs and livelihoods. Sorry but that is ********.

 

We've passed 100 00 deaths in less than a year. Not locking down is not and never was an option, only Brazil tried that.

A different discussion can hopefully be had once the vaccines kick in, I'm.assuming it might be more localised again but given that we haven't got any sort of track and trace system who knows?

 

Once everyone has been vaccinated and a few weeks have passed to build up immunity then I 100% believe we need to do away with all restrictions. The risk has been mitigated as much as possible at that point, just the same as any yearly flu pandemic. Until then, steps need to be taken to reduce the strain on the NHS.

 

Why does everything nowadays just boil down to 2 factions going head to head.

 

I totally agree people shouldn't be saying either.

I want to return to normality as soon as possible, as do all of us. The difference is that some people are of the opinion that restrictions will decimate sectors so therefore they shouldn't occur when in reality there is another option and that is protecting them until we can all enjoy them safely. Shielding the vulnerable whilst everything else remains open is not viable and this has been done to death on here so I won't go over it again.

I think what your industry has done to adapt has been fantastic and they have my full sympathy, but I also think opening it up isn't a necessity right now either.

 

The excess deaths speak volumes without getting into the technicalities of how figures are recorded. We will go round in circles but the kind of strategy yourself and supertyke et al seem to want to go for.... if you truly believe deaths wouldn't increase due to increased transmission and NHS demands increase as a result, sorry but I think that is absolutely crazy. It is a no brainer that the more people who are circulating as normal will spread it when compared to a lockdown. The vulnerable still need shopping, carers etc. This needs contact to spread. Not everyone in hospital is elderly either.

I respect your opinions and understand your situation as best I can, but I can't agree.

 

Like I've said previously I feel we have to mitigate the risks- once a vaccine is in play then everything has to go back to normal as far as I'm concerned. We cannot overrun the NHS any more than we are right now in the meantime, in my opinion.

 

Biggest question that doesn't seem to be asked amidst all the blame game.....

Is the vaccine working?


With what 6m plus now having a jab (me included) are we seeing a change in the case rates?

Next question.....

I'm a pzifer recipient. Jab one received 22/01. When can I expect to receive dose 2. And where is the evidence to suggest that if it is administered x number of weeks further apart, that the dose and protection remains the same in the tests that produced the 3/4 weeks apart recommendation....

The quicker folk are protected the easier things can no longer be kept closed.

I do feel that the press and the blame game are taking away from real questions that need asking