Big jobs for inexperienced managers

I'm biased but the season really went to 5h!t when Maddison and Van de Ven got injured for Spurs.

 

Avaliable or not wouldn't matter to united they can attract most if not all managers in world football. The problem is like I say the same ones do the merry go round with little success.

 

I thought I'd read today that Lampard is getting the Chelsea job. Again.

 

A symptom of the modern game unfortunately. These big clubs come calling, wafting their wads of 20's under managers noses, knowing that if it's a success, it'll be seen as a stroke of genius, if they fail it's no harm done and move on.

The fact it totally derails the progress of the team who actually gave that manager the platform to show their ability doesn't even come into the equation.

It stinks. These buy out clauses should be banned. You sign a contract, you honour it, or the club that wants you pays through the nose. Call it a restitution payment on top of the transfer fee and make it astronomical, see how many teams poach managers after 12 decent months at one club.

 

No chance, not these days, absolute basket case of a club. They can't even tempt a bloke from Ipswich.

 

There's something very rude about that sentence but I'm not quite sure what it is. I just know it's there.

 

Going back to how it used to be which seems like a good thing to me.

 

Genuine question, can you point me to some examples? Yeah managers who have done good jobs getting mid table jobs division up, but straight to the biggest jobs in the country? I can't recall any that's gone from top of second tier to top of first.

 

I think Maresca going to Chelsea ia a great result for Leicester. I see him as similar to Kompany - done a good job with the best squad in the division but tactically inflexible and likely to get sacked/come straight back down if he stayed.

 

Frank Lampard

 

Good one. Although I suppose the link to Chelsea makes it more understandable. I can't think of any other example of it happening but obviously could be wrong.

 

I guess Alex Ferguson could be included. I know it wasn't directly 2nd level English to 1st Level English, but Aberdeen (Not Rangers or Celtic but Aberdeen) to Man Utd...?
And then look at the Liverpool managerial appointments in the 70s and 80s. Shankly to Paisley (no previous managerial experience), to Fagan (no previous managerial experience), to Dalglish (no previous managerial experience). And they were the best team in the world for much of that period.

Edit - Liverpool have only had 20 managers since 1892. We sacked a manager who got us in the play-offs. I wonder why they're successful and we're not.

 

He's been there before under ole they could pay him alot more than Ipswich there commercially still in the top 3 clubs in world football. I'm glad he's shown loyalty and stayed with town though.

 

I remember, back in my Panini sticker collecting days, late 80s, and, then, West Ham manager, John Lyall, was only their fifth EVER manager in around a hundred years of existence.
Then, along came the Premiership, where just one league position higher would make millions of pounds worth of difference to the prize money and, so, managers became disposable items.
From the outside, looking in, I don’t understand why I even like football anymore!!!

 

I don't. I have no affinity towards it at all. I love Barnsley because it's where I'm from, it's who I am, it's my dad who took me from being 3 years old, and my grandad who brought me a Mars bar every week, it's Mick McCarthy and Neil Redfearn and John Dennis and Danny Wilson, but the only football I watch outside Barnsley is England in the major Championships, and that's only because Gareth Southgate has done such an amazing job and made us world class, but if you took an opinion poll on Gareth, most would want him out, because that's how awful this sport is.

 

Not sure he “made us world class” but he brought together a group of excellent players and made us competitive on the world stage for the first time since 90

 

I'll take that.

What I think is forgotten is that there have been many generations of English footballers that formed 'a group of excellent players' and the manager did nothing with them at all. Southgate keeps doing it.

 

Agree with this, I find it genuinely baffling.

 

Absolutely. Eriksson didn’t have the leadership to make the most of what we’ve got.

 

Ferguson
Dalgleish
Keegan
Paisley
Billy Bremner
Mel Machin at citeh
Bryan Robson

apologies it’s been a long day so I can’t think straight but it used to be a pathway - either an ex pro with little experience or proving yourself at lower level and getting the big job. The emphasis on random foreign managers cut this root off. Good to see us going back to it.


even at our level Allan Clarke & Hunter, Viv Anderson