Blair v thatcher

The NI peace process was all well and good but it came with a very hefty price tag and when you look at the place now I question whether it was worth the price. The early release from prison of cowardly murdering terrorists tainted the whole process IMO.

 

Could have sworn john major signed the good Friday agreement

 

Yes the creation af a waiting list to get on the waiting list was a master stroke by Blair

 

How much concession to make to terrorists in such negotiations will always be a very controversial subject. What the answer is, I really don't know. Whilst the obvious answer is "none", the reality often demands that some are made for the greater good. One extreme example is the horrible case of Ken Bigley. Whilst I would guess the majority of people would support the government's absolute refusal to negotiate, I suspect that if Mr Bigley had been my dad I'd feel rather differently.

 

I was talking about cutting waiting times down in general, whether you went from 1 waiting list to another doesn't matter if the total waiting time is reduced and in my experience and others that I know of it was reduced.

 

I think the circumstances are very different but the two examples used do serve to highlight the hypocrisy of politicians. On one hand you have them taking a firm, no negotiations stance with one set of terrorists yet on the other they seem to want to legitimise the cold blooded murderers by releasing them from a prison sentence.

 

Releasing them from prison didn't legitimise their terrorism in my eyes, although I know it will have done in many people's. My feeling at the time was that their release was a necessary evil and I felt that on balance the right thing had been done. Regarding the Ken Bigley case, whilst I fully understand the reasons for refusing to negotiate, it leaves me feeling incredibly uneasy that I can consider the government to have done the "right thing" in a situation which ended with an innocent man getting his head hacked off. I agree with you that the more you look at it, the more it seems that the rules are made up as they go along depending on the perceived importance of the situation. Obviously Ken Bigley's demise was not important enough, which when you look at the situation from the point of view of his family is absolutely sickening.

 

I cant think of a british prime minister who caused so much misery and suffering to their own people than thatcher did,horriblest women to be born in the last century,I hope to fu@k she lives to be 400 years old and suffers a long lingering death..
take a look at barnsley as a town and the state it is in and that ******* is the single biggest factor to it all.

 

Minimum wage

 

Yes creating that be benchmark to hold wages back was another wonder stroke

 

Why did it hold wages back?

 

That's all many employers choose to pay

 

That works by keeping wages down....it ort to be called,..the heres all you have to pay wage..

 

So a job that should be valued at £10ph is only paid at £6.08 or whatever? That doesn't make any sense.

 

They should have kept the Yts - that was great! :-( no minimum wage - just a slave wage - made unemployment figures look good

 

You sometimes make your own luck. Blair was a No1 Brown was always a No 2 and primeMinister was a step too far. Like Clinton Eastwood used to say, You've got to know your capabilities.
Thatcher went to the USA and came back with all their ways of living. She broke up all the big companies into small hire and fire companies on Industrial estates. Subsidised rates on promises of jobs but most bring their own workforce. The large industrialists like Coal, Steel, Docking, shipbuilding, used to kick start the Economy by opening up production and investment projects. The smaller companies then got contracts and they started employing. They used to buy everything from steel, machinery, clothing, cleaning, nuts bolts you name it. We built Motorways, and construction was always on the go. Our apprentice ship schemes were good and produced ongoing practices. Nowadays there are none, we rely on middle age to older age for skills, no young people coming through. The Tory Gove thinks everyone should have the chance to go to University. Why, what's wrong with getting into work and learning practical skills. We are a pyramid upside down. In old days you had a chief and few elders at the top then old retired people and these were supported by the working people about two thirds of the triangle. Today we have at the top chiefs the paper movers the beuracrats the old people and unfortunately most of the youth who are not employed. The triangle is creaking with the weight The Tories always withdraw their money out of the system and lay people off in hard times. Until they start speculating to accumulate like America are doing then we are in for a rough ride. Hope we have an easier ride next Saturday. 1-2 to us

 

No it just got Revalued.and it stinks
This restriction needs removing ASAP

 

Fortunately I was born just out of the Thatcher regime but from what I've read and seen in our region she seemed a truly dispicable bitch who should be burnt at the stake, all the misery she caused will never ever be repaired for many thousands of family's in this area and she appeared to hold the cards in there downturn.

Like I say I was born out of the thatcher regime and politics doesn't really play a big part in my thoughts, I've come from labour voting parents and will continue to do so. To be honest I think most politicians/parties talk out of there arse so I try not to get to heat up about what there jibbering on about but this obnoxious arrogant ***** who's in charge at the moment makes my blood boil, he gives off the impression that anyone with 30p less than him is a peasant. Anyhow there just my thoughts.

Just for the record can someone enlighten me in what good Thatcher did for this country?

 

You sometimes make your own luck. Blair was a No1 Brown was always a No 2 and primeMinister was a step too far. Like Clinton Eastwood used to say, You've got to know your capabilities.
Thatcher went to the USA and came back with all their ways of living. She broke up all the big companies into small hire and fire companies on Industrial estates. Subsidised rates on promises of jobs but most bring their own workforce. The large industrialists like Coal, Steel, Docking, shipbuilding, used to kick start the Economy by opening up production and investment projects. The smaller companies then got contracts and they started employing. They used to buy everything from steel, machinery, clothing, cleaning, nuts bolts you name it. We built Motorways, and construction was always on the go. Our apprentice ship schemes were good and produced ongoing practices. Nowadays there are none, we rely on middle age to older age for skills, no young people coming through. The Tory Gove thinks everyone should have the chance to go to University. Why, what's wrong with getting into work and learning practical skills. We are a pyramid upside down. In old days you had a chief and few elders at the top then old retired people and these were supported by the working people about two thirds of the triangle. Today we have at the top chiefs the paper movers the beuracrats the old people and unfortunately most of the youth who are not employed. The triangle is creaking with the weight The Tories always withdraw their money out of the system and lay people off in hard times. Until they start speculating to accumulate like America are doing then we are in for a rough ride. Hope we have an easier ride next Saturday. 1-2 to us