Brexit possible new referendum, how would you vote now?

I have to say, I don't see how this country will be united for at least one full generation, maybe even two.

if a referendum on the final deal is suppressed, just how are younger generations going to feel, seeing how larger demographics of older people were shown to vote leave? That would actually cast a longer shadow than the deal being overturned and remaining just because of natural life expectancy.

I don't get that this is a rerun though.

Let me put it this way. Much of my work has two phases to it. The first phase of understanding, delivering a report and recommendations. The client "votes" by accepting it in the first place. But to go to phase 2, the leaders of the business vote to take it forward because of the implications.

Now I could go in there and kick off that they are reflecting on the impact of the recommendations and findings, but its just sensible. Its the difference between a general want/claim/suggestion/outcome... and a detailed plan of impacts, implications, activities required and the potential upsides and downsides.

I can see some point that the right wing are creating their version of project fear re democracy (though see the irony in not accepting the vote re their leader), but I think the implications are much worse in not testing this, compared to going ahead and nobody at all being happy once the realisation settles, especially among the leave voters.

 

Whenever I'm trying to make an important decision in my life, I imagine an old-fashioned set of weight scales, and all the different factors to be considered as weights to be placed on one side or the other. Crude, but it helps me to come to a decision. One particular weight that seems to have been ignored in this debate over the past two years is the world order. We have an expansionist China seeking to spread its influence and enhance its economy on a world-wide scale, a USA ruled by an unpredictable President who seems capable of any kind of folly imaginable, and who supports and inward-looking view. Also circling menacingly is an increasingly aggressive and bold Russia, that seems to think it can carry out operations in Europe and seeks destabilisation with a view to creating a vacuum it can move into (see Ukraine and Crimea as examples), and would be delighted with a fragmenting Europe. Your choice whether to ignore this "weight" or to place it on one side or the other. Just saying, like.

 

Very good point that is commonly overlooked.

 

Yep. If Vladimir Putin had a vote I wonder if he'd vote remain? I very much doubt it. He's laughing his socks off as the seeds of his meddling bear fruit across the civilised world.

 

I didn't vote because it was far to complex for my brain to take in, and given the way it's all gone, I feel vindicated in not bothering.

One thing that occurred to me yesterday when May didn't get any toffee from Europe, was that she would probably get much better deals by doing a complete U-turn, and remaining. They obviously don't want to lose us.

Based on that, I wouldn't be at all surprised if that's what happens, and we stay in Europe but with better conditions, and they say bugger democracy if they can find a way to do it.

 

Nailed it right there, what’s the point of leaving when we have the best deal already! It’s only going to see ourselves off?

Unless the bigots get there way there’s no point in leaving at all.

 

lets have best of 3!!!

 

17.4 million of them.These bigots.

I agree. We shouldn't respect any vote. Possibly ever. Why bother voting when we know what the right answer is?

If the people don't vote the way I do, they're bigots.

 

Yep because bigotry had **** all to do with it.

 

Tony Abbott sees Brexit as a lot better than most....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/10/tony-abbott-how-to-save-brexit/

 

When there's a general election do you groan when socialism, or capitalism has **** all to do with it? Or too much to do with it? With a bit of bigotry thrown in on top?

 

I wouldn't vote, I'd bolt the fecking doors on the polling stations so every ****** stops going on about it.

 

No but I don’t bury my head and pretend things aren’t present. When they very clearly are.

 

Do you accept the result of a vote or not?

It's not much different to accepting the score at full time.

 

What’s that got to do with your ramblings?

 

It might help if you forgive my ramblings and answer:

Do you accept the result of a vote or not?

It's not much different to accepting the score at full time.

 

I must admit you are persistent, it’s very strange though, there’s no need. It’s not much different to recognising the impact of the far right on the leave vote.