Brexiteers- your time to shine

Equally you don’t need to defend your position of voting to leave by ignoring the fact there must be people, people who felt hard done to crying out to do these jobs.

 

There was a news report on this a few weeks ago.It said that the vast majority of Brits are not physically strong enough to do these jobs and those that try don't usually last longer than a day

 

If you're claiming I don't believe that Covid -19 is playing a part in harvesting and transporting food then read through this thread.

http://barnsleyfc.org.uk/threads/championship-wage-cuts.290408/

But as with all issues in life, it's very rare there's just one factor, there's usually many, all interlinked, and in this particular issue, Brexit is one of them.

 

Find it... so we can all have a laugh.

 

Wow. Some of the replies to this thread are bonkers. Leading on the sanctimonious. We all choose. what we do as we see is the right thing or not. Is it right that we clap at every home game for a fan that has recently passed. Which most are unaware of and clap automatically. Or pay respect for all those fans that have died in one go at the last match. As recognised by the club. I know which I would prefer. For those that look round and think it’s disrespectful not to clap. Why.? When you don’t even know who or what it is about. The choice to clap for front line staff is about showing appreciation for the dangers they are putting themselves in. Nowt to do with whether they happen to work for the NHS. ‘‘Tis why I choose to clap. The choice to donate if you want to or if can afford to is a personal choice.

 

I don't know where I saw it, either breakfast telly or the news

 

You're right. I shouldn't have said don't clap. It's everyone's choice. But I do also believe the new found respect the nation has for front line workers should be harnessed to help bring about real reform by improving their working conditions and improving their pay. That the role of a carer can be paid minimum wage is scandalous.

 

Agree Jay. There are few things that hopefully come out of it positive. An improved NHS . All parties will be claiming they will be the best to protect the NHS. Will certainly be the biggest voting influence for people. Improving pay for all the critical workers and those on minimum wage that provide our necessities. Keep us safe etc. Of which there are millions. Society will. I hope change for the better. Maybe not in my lifetime. But I believe most of the next generations. Will pick up the pieces. Realise the ills of the world. Eg Climate change and get shut of the in it for myself brigade. Trump being one of the biggest culprits. And us saying we should look up to America.

 

I appreciate Barnsley isn’t exactly the garden of England, but what fruit do we think isn’t getting picked in April?

the winter crops have been picked and we’ve just finished with frosts, give em a week or so before the earliest of the spring crops are ready.

 

That’s fair enough, you’ve based you’re comment on that article, the reality though is at this time the shortage is down to the fact a lot of Eastern European’s go home in January(cos it’s a lot cheaper than December) and haven’t been able to get back
The other reality is that over the last 3 years more and more Eastern European’s have been returning to their own country’s bae abuse opportunities were opening up for them there. Brexit I have no doubt will have been a factor but certainly was not the predominant factor.

 

As a brexiteer I didnt vote to stop as you say " Johny foreigner" I voted to allow our goverment which ever it is to control who we allow to come in, I.e if we have a certain skill set we need whether its doctors or fruit pickers then absolutely allow them in and allow them the same protections/ accommodation etc as our own. Dont tar all with the same brush as " send johny foreigner home types " just as I dont assume all who voted remain are extreme lefty's who just shout you down if your rhetoric doesnt fit theirs

 

Oh I'm sorry I didn't realise that the 'oldies' were out there working. How many hours a day are you currently doing?

 

When choosing who to allow in what skills would be on the form that a potential fruit picker would have that a none potential fruit picker would have? Apart from physical fitness?

 

Earlier this week I saw on a news programme (don't recall which one, maybe BBC local news, but will look to see if I can find a reference)
It was about an artichoke farmer, he was interviewed and said he was in danger of not harvesting this year due to shortage of Eastern European workers, he said 98% of seasonal pickers were from Eastern Europe.
He showed a row of static caravans, like those at Skeggy, explaining this was where the workers lived for the season.
They then interviewed a foreign worker, showing them on their haunches in cold wet conditions, picking stuff. The worker said it was back breaking work, I remember him saying "up..down..up..down all day)
The farmer was asked about using British workers and replied that only one or two applications ever came from Brits, even though minimum wage was paid. He then said the Brits never lasted long.

So I'm glad Brits are now applying, but as they say in a crisis "needs must when the devil drives", Brexit has not caused this situation, COV-19 has, and people are responding and willing to work.

No need to make this political whichever side you were on.

 

and I very much doubt a fruit picker would earn 24k either. Still at least they aren’t taking our jobs.

 

We clearly cant get many of our own to do it, many eastern Europeans joke how lazy the British are, maybe I should have worded it better by saying when a certain type of labour is required AND certain jobs that require a person(s) of a specialised field, doctors, scientists, builders, sparkys blah blah blah

 

But there is a minimum wage. You can't pay foreigners below it just like you can't British. It would be an absolutely ludicrous system that says 'anyone who wants a job can move here while we pay our lazy Brits to stay home'.

If you decide to allow anyone in simply because they are willing to work then doesn't it completely negate the whole point of Brexit?

 

Need to rail against private healthcare providers here then. I saw an old colleague of mine put a status on about the owner of the private unit she works at. The multi millionaire had publicly asked if any ppe could be donated as he clearly didn't want to pay for any. He then flew off in his helicopter.

 

SP, I completely agree with you, the eastern european countries generally have a better work ethic, I believe in Poland you get help for the first 4 week after losing a job, after that you have to find employment again, yes I voted brexit but when the majority of our own thinks its below them to pick off the land then what can we do ?

 

But the problem is. That is what it was for a lot of brexiteers. Some about controlling our own. Destiny. Laws etc. But make no mistake. a lot voted cos all The money going to Europe could be better spent on. the NHS for example re the bus. A lot voted cause they are downright racist. And haven't a brain they were born with. BNP followers. What a joke.
Re The Government they made it quite clear that they only wanted the best QUALIFIED people entering the country. So would be vetted. No more cheap car wash.
I was a little undecided what to vote when it first was muted. Based on would our economy be better off. not because of not wanting to share the spoils but because some countries required bailing out because of irresponsible government. But what got me over the line was why I voted to go in. In the first place. A safer Europe and studied the pros and cons.
Whether when this is all all over the government will allow seasonal labour into the country. I don't know. Was a plan put in place I don't know. Time will tell.
We are in now. Hope we can make the best of it. My future is not my concern. I just want what is best for my kids and future generations. And society as a whole.