But what about the Bank Holiday second spike????

Except the Health Secretary has just said it's between 0.7 and 0.9. More great stats.

 

It's fairly meaningless though without studying when the deaths actually happened. I was reading about how Spains reporting is leading to artificially low numbers too.

 

There will definitely be a huge spike in winter because flue wil kill thousands and it will be put down to covid-19 as the symptoms are so similar

 

Of course there are more deaths outside of those directly caused by Covid. We've shut down the NHS because only Covid matters.

What this community of lockdown extremists seem to have done is forget that other things than Covid actually matter. If the only thing that mattered in the world was people not catching Covid, then we should continue to lockdown, probably forever. It would definitely reduce the risk of people getting Covid. I agree. But people have become so afraid of the demon virus - even those in very low risk demographics - that all they care about is not catching Covid.

It doesn't matter how many people lose their jobs, how many people can't afford rent, how many people go hungry, what happens to the economy, how many people get sick and die of other diseases, that children go without education, that people are suffering mental health issues, that people are suffering domestic violence and abuse, just as long as they don't get Covid-19. We only ever protected those that could afford to stay home. And anyone in any other circumstances gets abused: the "idiots" catching public transport to a job they hate for minimum wage, but need in order to live, who continue to keep the country going, paying taxes that go to the furloughed, who, even on 80%, are paid more than those on minimum wage funding their wage. And they were so easy to draw into that mindset because they're entirely self absorbed and only they matter.

That last paragraph was shamelessly plagiarised from someone brighter than me. But I fully agree with it.

 

Mine were similar for the first 24 hours but quickly became very very very different.

 

Very different or more severe? Genuine question

 

More severe and very different.

 

We have no idea what proportion of those tested are currently infected, as for the last 2 weeks, the government haven't released the figure for the number of people tested. Hospital admissions have gone up for the 3rd consecutive day though

 

What's the difference? WHO lists the symptoms as being very similar

 

Hospital admissions down from 740 to 694 based on 7 days ago.
Occupied ventilator beds 571 down from 751.
7080 Covid hospital patients down from 8285.

Another story about how deaths are going down all around the world despite infection rates (weakening?).....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8392593/Is-evidence-coronavirus-getting-weaker.html

Half as many people infected than a week ago with it down to 0.1% of the country......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...s-coronavirus-outbreak-shrinks-HALF-week.html

Week on week drop.......



The press now the deaths, infections and hospital admissions are lowering all the time can't scare people as much anymore, so all of a sudden they keep going on about the R rate that they barely used to mention. Of course we should be weary and keep an eye on things. What we shouldn't do is live in fear. We should live and not simply exist. An ideal world would be no more deaths so the two billion doses AstraZeneca are making of the vaccine incase it works, aren't needed as fast.

 

Early symptoms I guess? It's clear though that everyone's experience is different. All 3 of us had very different experiences. The 21 year old was physically sick and nauseous but no other symptoms but this was fleeting. The 40 something female had mild cold like symptoms which lasted around a week. The 50 odd year old male still has symptoms over 4 weeks later.
My experience of both:
Flu.. high temp, sweating but feel freezing cold and shaking (quite a few days)
Covid... high temp, sweating but feel freezing cold and shaking (48 hours)
Flu... aches and pains in muscles (5/6 out of 10 on a pain scale).
Covid...aches and pains in muscles (10 out 10 on a pain scale, unbearable and this lasted well over a week).
Flu... no breathing issues.
Covid... almost immediately breathing became laboured and I am still after all this time experiencing this symptom but it has reduced significantly.
Flu... headache but tolerable.
Covid... My first sympton: acute pain which lasted over a week.
Flu...no pain other than muscle aching.
Covid.. severe muscle ache but then and significantly severe pain internally in and around the lungs. This was unbearable and lasted over a week. Laying down flat was impossible during this period.
Flu.. no pain in neck, top of spine.
Covid... severe pain in neck and top of spine: I still have this pain albeit reduced now.
Flu... no nausea
Covid: nauseas all way through up until about 3 days ago.
Covid... loss of smell and taste (All 3 of us with this sympton).
The only thing I didn't have was a continuous cough.
So a few similar type symptoms but I have never experienced anything like this before. I truly believe I have been so lucky. 111 kept me monitored with frequent calls over the 4 days I was at my worst. I had a moderate illness so can fully appreciate how those with severe symptoms can be taken from us.

 

Mouthwatering games to come in the Premier League.

 

Cheers Mr Havana Red. That sounds like you have had/got symptoms that someone with severe flu could experience. That's what I mean by flu deaths in the future could well be labelled as covid-19 as in extreme cases they're similar.

Either way it's horrible so I'm glad you are beginning to (slowly) get over it

 

Sounds like a bad experience and to be avoided. Has your sense of smell and taste returned?

 

Well I've just seen him wearing a Sheffield Wednesday shirt so his sense of taste obviously hasn't.

 

As much as I want lockdown to be eased slightly for certain ages, I wouldn't use Matt Hancock as a bastion of knowledge.

 

Lies, dammed lies and statistics...(att: Mark Twain) or to put it another way, if ya dunt like this survey no worries there will be another one along in a minute...

 

Even though some symptoms are similar surely they can test whether you have the Covid virus and deter whether it’s flu or Covid ?
I’m a bit confused now as I thought if they diagnosed Flu a proper blood test etc would determine between the two .

 

There’s very little evidence to suggest that there’s a large increase in people dying from other reasons though. We’ve had 60,000 (ish) deaths with a 3 month lockdown, imagine how massive that figure would be if we didn’t. Your herd immunity argument just doesn’t add up.