Change of playing style is to increase the value of the squad

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  1. Barnsleyshaun

    Barnsleyshaun Well-Known Member

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    This is madness, what they’re Essentially telling us is they would rather finish 4th bottom (I’m being kind and assuming they’re not totally insane) playing the way we are now than finish in the playoffs playing how we did last season and that by doing that our players will be worth more - really? so we can sell them for profit - Really?

    Is that what they believe and are aiming for - really?
     
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  2. Old

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    I honestly do not think I would ever have understanding of a statement indicating that the number one priority is selling players over and above anything else. In my years of support I have grudgingly accepted the need to sell players. From Stewart Barrowclough and Pat Howard onwards it hurt, but I never really thought that the people in charge had anything other than the best interests of the club at heart. I always clung to the hope that things would improve and, over the years, had the enormous pleasure of seeing some exceptional players, particularly the sainted Ronnie, strut their stuff. I definitely cannot say that now. The club, as I knew and loved it, doesn’t exist any more.
     
  3. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Do anyone actually say that though? I completely agree with your feelings by the way. It's been a sad few days for the football club.
     
  4. Micky Finn

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    That's absolute fu¢king ********. He's no better a CEO than me if he believes that $hite. It defies all accepted norms of trade & business. The style of play is utterly irrelevant - when we were flying last season, the players' stock was sky-high. We could be where we are this season having actually played beautiful football and you think buyers wouldn't think of us as a fire-sale??!? It beggars belief that a supposedly professional businessman would think anyone would fall for this laughable bull$hit.

    Get the fu¢k in the sea, you daft two-hat.
     
  5. Old

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    I’m not sure how it could have been stated more explicitly to be honest. They deem last season to be a failure because we didn’t manage to flog anyone (other than Chaplin and Ishmael). In other words, player sales take priority over league position. Seems pretty clear to me.
     
  6. Loko the Tyke

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    Why can't it be both? They haven't said it's one of the other.

    I'm not defending them, but I just didn't read this particular comment that negatively (might just sneak in to my top ten worst of the week).
     
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    In all honesty, it seems you're the only one who hasn't.
     
  8. Loko the Tyke

    Loko the Tyke Administrator Staff Member Admin

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    Definitely in the minority, but also definitely not the only one.

    We're a club that rely on developing our squad so that we can sell one player a season to balance the books and reinvest. I don't think it's untrue to suggest you don't really know how good a player is if they don't spend much time on the ball, and therefore you don't get their true potential value when they sell. It's also true that the lack of fans definitely led to inconsistent results, and as the majority have said on here we did seem to benefit loads from the five subs rule.

    I don't think it was worded well, and as I said in a separate thread, the timing and need to say it is pretty awful. But to me it just isn't that groundbreaking of a negative comment. Wouldn't challenge anyone who feels the opposite though and tell them they're wrong.
     
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    So let's say we'd sold Helik, Styles, Woodrow and Brittain or Mads in the summer. Cos we've done that in the past, sold the spine of the team
    How do you think the club would spin it? Remember we'd have made a pretty penny but all would be undisclosed fees.

    I'm guessing on form the following:

    A short thank you to all the players

    Then set a narrative stating we couldn't compete and that the players wanted go. Hiding their true feelings that they're delighted.

    Then promise they'd spend every penny brought in from the transfers.

    Offer another voucher scheme linked to annual passes to appease the masses.

    Basically once again have our pants pulled down. Let's see if this 4 step plan is enacted in January, if any of our players are wanted. I'm sure they will be, challenging teams will be thinking they're in for bargain.
     
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    Surely as Barnsley fans we all accept that we are going to sell players.
    The whole model is to identify undervalued talent and then develop it, put it in a pedestal and sell it for a profit.
    Everyone said we were wasting Mowatt's talents last season by bypassing the midfield.
    Many people said the long ball meant we weren't playing football.
    Woodrow was apparently being wasted as a wide striker.
    Ismael does not fit the club's philosophy in terms of his playing style. Plenty complained about it on here.
    And it's true. The older players that traditionally we sell on to fund the next purchases, are all still with the club, except Sollbauer who left to get more football closer to home. Under Val I dont think we needed his leadership as much as we do now.
    Like Loko I think if the statement had been said just after Struber had kept us up, wed have accepted that it is how the club is run.
    Because everything else is a sh*t storm at the minute everyone is pulling everything the CEO, the club, Schopp, the players to pieces.
     
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    I absolutely admire your ability to see both sides (although I accept we’ve clashed a bit on a few issues over the past couple of years). However, I am genuinely struggling with all this. I’ve said before that supporting our club sometimes feels like playing a game of football snakes and ladders. But at the moment I feel that we have not just landed on a snake’s head again, but that we’ve also been bitten by something venomous!
     
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    I don't see any way in which Helik is more valuable or attractive to other clubs now than he was in the summer.
     
  13. Deafening Silence

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    I dont think anyone is at the minute, but if we are playing attractive football and winning I think our players are more valuable than if we play Val's brand and winning.
     
  14. Loko the Tyke

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    You're talking about right now. I was giving a particular example of earlier in the season in my post.
     
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    Come on guys let’s look at the positive. No one is going to buy our best players cos all our players are currently sh**e
     
  16. Deafening Silence

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    That's not actually a positive with out business model though, is it?
    We are the equivalent of an upcycling business.
    We buy damaged/imperfect goods, tart them up and sell them for a profit.
    It's how we generate money. If we don't sell players/managers for a profit were up a creek without a paddle financially.
     
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    me either. I’d say we have lost millions changing the way we play. Mads hasn’t played yet but I’m not convinced playing out from the back will add value to him either.
     
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    There’s obviously some merit in what they’re saying. For example Burnley can finish mid table & will have less interest in their players than clubs like Bournemouth that finish several places below them because they supposedly play ‘the right way’ but you don’t want to hear it when you’re on a bad run.

    I’d like to think we’ll mix it up a bit once Oulare & Morris are starting games.
     
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    As I say, we have to sell players. A successful team will contain valuable players. The CEO seems deluded in thinking last season's team didn't but that the way we're headed at the moment will.
    To suggest he's not worried about relegation is plain stupid or just meaningless hot air.
     
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    I think you might be thinking of a different transfer window. I recall the week before the transfer window closed. Conway was asked about outgoings, Helik, Styles and Woodrow were mentioned, and he said there had been enquiries made, but no offers.
     

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