Change of playing style is to increase the value of the squad

Cheers for that Gally

But whilst I might have been like a dog with a bone on this point, I don't think (unless I missed it) even JC did say that.

He did hint on the transition when we first moved from older players to young, that if we went down, it wouldnt be as hard, because we did now have value in the squad when taking into account the 6 million loss, as opposed to having a load of old players nobody would sign from us.

But I didn't see him reference playing style devalued the squad.

The Leeds data bloke, did make reference to playing style, but didn't emphasise value of the player, more that it was extra info to take into analysis when assessing players to buy.

Was an interesting watch mind

 

I didn't doubt you, which is why it stuck in my mind all this time for me to flag back up.

Must be edited or a comment outside the recording.

Cheers for clarifying it though. Because it gives me a different stance on how I feel with the whole setup.

Everyones baying for blood at the 80%ers but this is his baby. Stats and analysis, and historically knows more about us then the rest.

I'm just trying to argue that he has a huge chunk of ownership (in relation to how much percent each co-owner has) and is equally as culpable as the rest

We know nobody has over 50% so he likely has as already been pointed out the 2nd largest holding

 

@Duntpasstome

this.

 

Style of play has definitely changed its gone from pressing to just totally depressing.

 

Hasn't JC also sold his system to other clubs and as such given away the competitive advantage the club had in finding players using it.

 

Problem is I don’t think he’s considered that no clubs spent money really due to Covid. Not that it was anything to do with our style of play.

In normal times that would have been a positive I guess that shows the club is ran at a deficit.

 

The owners plan hasn’t failed! The sooner we stop expecting to win games and understand the only reason for playing football matches is to make our players worth more the easier it is to stomach.

we were literally told this in the summer

They didnt say the above they said

Interesting snippet from James Cryne during the Directors of Football panel. Although it brought onfield success, Barnsley's skyball style of football made it harder to sell players as it didn't necessarily showcase their footballing ability

Two totally different things, ive said many times the Vals football style was for Val alone not the development of the players and as such we are in this mess now and yes the players value will drop as bigger teams want players that can play football.

We are all surely aware that to succeed selling players at a profit is part of the plan then buying quality younger players is our model.

 

To be fair Brad Collins' value has probably increased. I heard his agent has cut a video of his highlights from this season. It's 17 hours long.

 

The problem is the players we have aren't capable of playing the way they are currently being told to play 2 wins in 24 makes that abundantly clear. VI had them playing the way he did because he recognised that was the only way they could play and have any success. You can play like Man City when you have the talent to do so, to try and do it when you don't have the talent is utter stupidity and football suicide. We have had three coaches this season who have persisted with playing a system that's obviously failing yet no changes have been made there must be a reason for this and the evidence of JCs conference address and the CEO interviews and forum comments suggests quite powerfully that the reason no change as been made is because they think playing that way will make them more money in player transfers. The fact they still haven't made changes despite being by far the worst performing team in the league and looking certain relegation candidates can only mean they put their misguided belief their way will increase player sale profitability before league position.

 

I thought he'd set up a consultation company to do it.

 

There's a dystopian future where each player is valued and identified via tracked spreadsheet stats and because number of tackles determines a player's value the teams constantly give away possession before the opposition can tackle them, nobody wanting possession lest to give away the potential for valuable tackle points.

 

How about we rip the whole thing up and start again beginning with some genuine owners who actually give a sh it.

 

Are you really saying that our players are that bad they cant play football and that we either play Vals hoof ball or nothing. You believe that our players value incease in league 1 so we are making coaches play football not long ball so we can be relegated then sell our players so the owners can pocket the money.
Schopp was poor and couldnt take on the transition from Vals style, Lauman had 2 games and Poya needs more time to put right the coaching wrongs before him.
Please read again your post and put some real life sense to it or explain better because im just not getting it.

 

Football v Hoofball.

we’ve been around the bottom 3 or relegated every season (bar 1 the fire sale season) under these owners trying to match other teams at football. Collectively our players aren’t very good! Val found a way to overcome the lack of ability. Like it or not that’s a fact.

Player value

our players increase in value by playing games. We get them from academy football and expose them to championship / league 1 football. Relegation hasn’t mattered so far because we were promoted at the first attemp, a longer period in league 1 might severely affect both the ability to recruit (allegedly) better players and their re sale value.

Coaches.

Are employed to coach, pure and simply they seem to have less and less influence on recruitment as time has progressed under these owners. The one quality the owners look for is development of younger players. We got lucky as fans with Val but the owners did not, no bids for any players. I’ll repeat that no bids for any players, the reason? Because they weren’t seen as players we were viewed as a team.

I don’t know why you’ve chosen to die on this particular sword, all the evidence is out there

 

I am.

We've had one season of Hoofball. We finished 5th.

We've had nearly 2 seasons of whatever the hell this style is and we stayed up by 30 seconds in one year, and we're basically down this year. The players aren't good enough to implement a playing out from the back and through midfield style. It isn't their fault, they're mostly young lads still making their way in the game, but they aren't good enough to do what the Coach (sorry, the CEO) wants them to do.

 

My suggestion for a new club motto "Buy clava pro nihilo et nihil pone"