Well thats a strange signing I cant see him getting to double figures and he will divide the fans -and give the opposition a focus to hate Hopefully they will make several more signings of unsuitable players and do a Wigan and go straight back down from whence they came
Haha, I heard that too and was laughing for ages! Would love it if they were next season's Wigan! They'll soon be demanding Wilder is sacked!
Some bits of this post I can agree with. Not this bit: "If you think no Barnsley players have ever doubled up with a girl I'm afraid you're probably blinkered" You should be ashamed to write such a thing.
Why? I've nothing to be ashamed about. I don't advocate that kind of behaviour. I don't condone it. I certainly don't participate in it. All I have done is point out that it is highly unlikely that no Barnsley player has ever been involved in such a thing - the moral line is apparently lower in society, both sexes are more promiscuous. Fit, young footballers have money in their pockets along with their youthful looks and athletic builds, and so these things go on, most likely in every town with players from every club. Whilst I guess there's no cast iron evidence, it would be sticking your head in the sand to suggest any club has no players who would do the same. I haven't caused it, I see no reason I should be ashamed for merely pointing it out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Who is Ben Dover ?, youve lost me there. My first and only reaction to this is 'why am I not surprised!!', even though it makes them seem desperate even at this early stage. Ive got a feeling the reaction will be so negative that it will all fall through again, maybe even at the last minute. What does this say to Clarke & fat Billy, the two strikers they already have and who both have had very good seasons.
It may have happened & it may not. I don't disagree with the point that you are trying to make, but it is pretty derogatory & possibly libellous to link our club's players to this, when you have no evidence.
I'm honestly confused so I'm going to ask a simple and possibly naive question. By 'doubling up' did you take troff to mean simply two players having a threesome/both having sex with 1 girl or did you take him to mean the bizarre circumstance of whatever happened that night with Ched? If you took it to mean the first circumstance then I'm not sure what is wrong with him suggesting that players may or may not have done that (providing it was all consensual of course), if you meant the second that I'm pretty certain that wasn't what troff meant (but perhaps @troff could clarify)?
I meant the former jamdrop. And in the eyes of the law, that's not much different to Ched Evans situation either, whether we agree or not Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
If people consent, then of course that is ok. Thst wasn't how I read what you were saying. Let's face it Ched was convicted of rape.
Ched joined in a shagging session with his pal, who had "got a girl". I've DJ'd in swingers clubs & all sorts & to say what that lovely person did & what people who like a bit of consensual fun do is a million miles away. That is why this thread is f@@ked up. I stand by my comments.
One thing that i don't understand about the chef Evans thing is why his brother wasn't charged with anything despite admitting filming through a window without the victims knowledge
Stand by what you believe, but don't try to shame folk for not agreeing fully. I will pick you up on one thing - you say he was convicted of rape in the post before. Yes, but then that conviction was quashed, he had a retrial, and he was acquitted. In court and by a jury of peers it was decided that they could not prove beyond reasonable doubt that the girl in question had not consented. Saying what people do consensually is a million miles away from that isn't really fair therefore is it? You have absolutely no evidence to say what went on wasn't consensual. You've got no idea. Unless you were stood with his brother filming or something. All we know is he was convicted, yet Clayton McDonald wasn't. There are some published details though little. The evidence against both was similar. She never said she didn't consent, just that she didn't remember. Evans was convicted on the assumption she was too drunk to consent, that he entered the room whilst she and McDonald were in the act and that they didn't speak. Yet they accepted consent for mcDonald who had his way first, and she apparently drank no more after. Not sure how she's meant to be too drunk to consent afterwards, but ok to consent before - when I read what details were available it seemed a bit dodgy that he was convicted in my view, but accepted that without being in court hearing all the evidence I couldnt judge. The appeal court did though and threw out the conviction. When he was trialled again, all the same evidence was heard with some additions. The retrial took eight days - the jury returned a verdict after less than two hours. Again, I wasn't there, but I think that says a lot. I'm absolutely no fan of Ched Evans or Sheffield United. I've no idea why his girlfriend stood by him or why her dad did so much to get him acquitted given he'd cheated on her so horribly. Whatever he is innocent of, he's guilty of being a horrible git to her. But if after a long and drawn out legal process he was finally found innocent of any crime, then all he is guilty of is shagging the same girl just after his mate had, with no evidence at all that all parties hadn't consented. The girl herself never said she didn't and the retrial heard about how she has woken up with other men having apparently forgotten what had happened the night before. Only the footballers had rape accused of them. She has also not sought any overturn of the acquittal at retrial and has sought no civil case against either Evans or McDonald. I pass no judgment against her - she does what she wants quite rightly. She also didn't actually make any accusations as such. I can't believe we're still giving this airtime but I'm not being shamed about stating facts or pointing things out. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You are right in terms of him being cleared of the conviction. I would still be surprised, if he were, say a teacher, social worker, police officer, etc, whether he would have ever walked back into his old job
The misogynistic tone of some of the comments on here is pretty sad really. Sent from my iPad using Barnsley FC BBS Fans Forum
To be clear, if I'm coming across that way I am not condoning the trivial 'use' of women by footballers or any young man, that is definitely misogynistic and should be discouraged by society rather than accepted - as ought the behaviour of some (only some) young men and women generally. It is fine to get hammered and sleep with who you like if that's what they willingly choose, but people should take responsibility for themselves and drinking yourself into a state where you can't remember a thing, whilst we've all (or most) done it, could have health implications long term but definitely puts you at risk at the time, be that to rape, assault, being ripped off, being ran over in the street, whatever. Man or woman, nowt wrong with having a good sup and laugh, going out on the pull, great. But if you are in such a state you can't stand up and barely know your name, are incapable of walking or getting home unaided, incapable of anything much, including consent to sex acts, you are not inviting criminal acts on to you no, there is no reduction in liability for any cretin who would commit any such crime on a vulnerable person, but are increasing the likelihood of its occurrence as you are in no state to protect yourself. Many people have huge vulnerabilities through no choice - but a lot of folk, including me in slightly younger days, make themselves very vulnerable by drinking (or using other chemicals) excessively. As an observation, and an opinion, younger kids don't seem to know when to stop these days, know what their limit is. I'm only in my thirties, I often hit the drink hard myself regularly on nights out in the past before wife and kids etc and can put it away now if I'm honest, but if I drank the amounts I see and hear some of the late teens and early twenties kids do, especially with mixing, shots, pints then cocktails and the like, I wouldn't like to think what state I'd be in Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
