Ched! It's not just us.....

I don't really think hitting a woman is as bad as rape.

 

Ched was found guilty, did 18 months in the clink so society has deemed he has been punished.
Now he needs to get a career in which to live.
So football is one but every game he plays oppo fans will berate him and he will have to be extra strong to survive. But you cant stop him if that is what he wants to do. Sheff Utd could be seen as helping to get him back into day to day life.
What if football does not want him back? He might have the same problems what ever he tries to do. Be it Plumber, brickie, even labourer.
TBH his life could be well and truly ruined.
I suppose the girl's family will be happy to hear that but was the girl not part of the problem going back with him in the first place in such a drunken state? Although no excuse for what happened but I wonder if all this would have come out had it just been Joe Bloggs and not a high profile footballer?

I do feel sorry for the girl but also have sympathy for Ched.

This is a hard one to call but my opinion is he has served time as laid down by the law and he should be allowed to get his life back. But having said that had it been my daughter involved my opinion would possibly be vastly different.

FFS this is difficult.

 

I've no sympathy with him whatsoever. The girl went with another bloke, NOT Evans. He turned up later and had sex with her when she wasn't in a state to give consent. The girl being intoxicated has as much to do with it as the clothes she's wearing. In other words, bugger all. No female is asking to be raped. None. But it seems there's plenty of people (not suggesting you) willing to attach some blame to the victim rather than putting it all on the perpetrator.

 

but was the girl not part of the problem going back with him in the first place in such a drunken state?

She didn't as I understand it. She was with his mate. Then when they'd had 'a bit' which was consensual, that's why he wasn't jailed, he rang Ched who turned up at the hotel in a taxi, entered thro a fire exit, did the deed and left by a side door.

 

TBF mate I did not know the whole story. Just heard a bit about it on Jeremy Vine this afternoon. From what you say it certainly makes a difference to my point of view.
I basically thought that the girl had second thoughts of the incident after the event and tried to come out of it in better light. But from what you are telling me it would appear that Evans is nothing but a predator. If this is the case then he deserves all he gets.

 

Another argument appears to be "There but for the grace of God go I". Well, I believe I'm in the vast majority when I say that's NEVER been the case for me. There's been plenty of occasions when I've wanted to, but my partner at the time has said no. In those situations, I've done what nearly every lust filled male has done in that predicament. I've sulked, wallowed in self pity and nothing else!

 

This is something I've mentioned when speaking with the missus about it. In my younger days in London I was part of a wide circle of friends and we got up to all sorts, but never would the idea of picking up a lass who was pi55ed out of her head and then phoning a mate to see if he fancied joining in ever occur to us. It may be "there but for the grace of God go I" in the murky world of the modern day footballer and their loose morals, but it's certainly not something that I know of anybody actually getting up to. It's just plain wrong at the best of times and downright criminal in many cases, including Evans'.

 

I agree

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Another issue for me is directed towards those who claim his conviction is unsafe and the so-called many questions it poses. IF the conviction is wrong, based on these queries, how come he was convicted in the first place? Even if there was a travesty of justice in the initial case, how come the appeal failed? How come a wealthy footballer, along with an exceptionally wealthy potential father-in-law to be, were unable to afford a defence team capable of highlighting all these apparent indicators of innocence during both the initial case and the appeal?

 

Came across this via a friend of a friend on facebook, just checking out their profile.

https://www.facebook.com/Chedreturn?fref=nf

They even got a mini bus up to go meet him out of prison!

 

being in bed with someone doesn't give that person carte blanche to do what they want with their partner. A person may consent to certain things but object to something else. I gather the girl in question was happy for Macdonald to do what he did.
Evans ...(don't know how best to put this)...against her wishes went to a different 'place' and that is what she, quite rightly, claimed was rape.

as for him expressing remorse - if he's challenging the verdict he's neither going to apologise nor express remorse.

 

In all honesty Dave, old mate, I've wasted far too much of my time on this odious bag of ****.

 

This, with ******* bells on.

 

I think all the conversations outside the courtroom around guilt are almost irrelevant, the justice system in this country is set up in such a way that a jury is put in place to hear all the facts and their decision is what it is. As you mentioned above he was found guilty, the appeal failed - yet people still want to discuss his possible innocence/ severity of the crime on a scale of 1-10. Fact is he went through the procedure and was found guilty.

The next question is whether or not he should be able to return to his previous chosen profession, there are many professions he would not be able to return to, but there are also many he would be able to - in my opinion the decision should not fall down to individual clubs within that profession, the professional body who control it should set guidelines as in other professions eg NHS for health workers, Department of Education for teachers dental council for dentists dental nurses etc.

If it was up to me I would not want certain people including convicted sex offenders working as professional footballers - in this day and age they are held up as 'Professional' footballers and in any other 'professional' industry I doubt they would be accepted back. Will the FA/FIFA do anything and set rules...I doubt it as its something they will not want to touch with a barge pole, they are too weak and the pressure they would come under form club chairman would be too much - for example if a player worth £20-£30 million pound did what Evans did his club loses a massive asset and money - again I am afraid it all comes down to pounds shillings and pence in the world of football.

 

If he was a 40 year old journeyman at the end of his career or a wet behind the ears trainee who hadn't kicked a ball for SUFC nobody would be having the conversation. It seems to be, to United fans at least, is it worth bringing back a proven goalscorer with all the **** that entails?.

He'll never be considered to be a former RAPIST or ex-RAPIST, it's not like a betting scandal or financial irregularities. He is just trouble.