Comments regarding 'Hecky out'

Obviously not.

 

Well fair enough, but you seemed to be encouraging him out of the door in your original post.

 

If you're suggesting that Hecky's tenure is shaky, then i disagree.

I would not blame him for us being relegated.If that were to happen.

Indeed I wish he would be in charge of us trying to get back up.

Who would anyone replace him with?

Nobody can name anyone.

 

No I'm saying I would completely understand if he goes at his next chance.

He said it many times he's here because he wants to be here. He's been offered other jobs.

The bloke and his family live in the town and his kids are schooled here.

Today it got nasty with chants aimed at Hecky. After just 4 games. It wasn't Altrincham away nasty but it will get there.

He doesn't need that and he deserves much better than that. They would be the ones calling him out for no loyalty if he took a better paid job at a rival club.

Its fine to question tactics ect but he deserves so much more respect than to be taunted by his own fans and calls for him to be sacked.

For that reason I would encourage him to leave at his next chance as he's giving his all here and done well and its still not enough for some after only 4 bad games.

 

Well that is a very helpful clarification and I rescind my outrage at your original post. I agree with much of what you say as now expressed. I would hope that given the loyalty shown to Lee Johnson in arguably even more trying circumstances, Hecky's credit is good with the owners way beyond this point. The thought of someone taking over and trying to replicate what Hecky has achieved with what he has had to work with doesn't bear thinking about.

 

I think he’s more likely to leave because of the myopic and damaging following of the strategy at all costs.

 

What Im saying is though one thing many Barnsley supporters would like to think is that when others have come in for his services his affinity to the club and how the fans adore him would have come into his thinking when making a decision.

After what I've seen/heard today I would now understand 100% if the fact he's a Barnsley fan and a majority support him didn't come into his thinking what so ever.

It didn't feel like he was 'our Hecky' today. Its always felt like he was invincible with the fans due to the special bond we have with him.

Today he was treat like any other manager we've had. And as I keep repeating its only a bad run of 4 games. He deserves more time before even the minority turn on him like they did today.

 

That’s sad to hear but is an inevitable side affect of the strategy pursued and the results since Jan. 4 home wins.

I hope he’s covered by the not sacking family men at Xmas

 

It’s only the occasional idiot who criticises Paul and every club has them. Its disingenuous to say it’s only 4 games we have been appalling since Paul had his team sold out from under him in January and then further dismantled in the summer. That’s not Paul’s fault and 99 percent of people appreciate that.

 

Not sure id say 99, you are underestimating how fickle some fans are.

George Carlin — 'Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.'

 

We haven't been appalling since then.

We've been good enough this season to rack up 20 points with some good performances.

The last 4 games have been appalling with us 100% deserving to lose the last 3 of them.

I came out of the Leeds game saying thats the first time in a long term I've seen us deserve to get beat at home. We were ***** and they played well.

Appalling is how we played against Leeds, Cardiff, Bolton and by the sounds Reading. How Sunderland and Birmingham played against us is appalling.

We haven't been appalling since January we've just not had a side as good as what was sold.

 

We have won 4 home games in a calendar year. Pretty appalling. Post January our form was relegation form until May. This year we sit precariously abound the relegation zone. The standard of football is poor. Hit and hope to an isolated forward who is ill suited to the role. We have little pace and a paucity or attacking options. We are a poor side in decline though we have some shoots of potential. In every position other than Barnes for Kent we are weaker than we were at the start of last season.

None of that reflects on Paul if he keeps us up it will be a miracle. We have assembled a good L1 side it was always going to be a long hard season I said it before it started and I have seen nothing to change my mind.

 

It does if he chooses who we sign. One thing managers always used to be judged on was the quality of the signings. In fact, what they were primarily judged on was the quality of the signings.

We've sold all our best players, or they left on a free. I'm pretty sure that was against our manager's wishes. It would be against any manager's wishes. Who wants to lose all their best players?

However, we've spent an awful lot of money this summer. I think we've spent more this summer than any other close season in our history, even more than when we were promoted to the Premier League. We've spent less than what we've made from sales, and when you do that you can't expect to have the same quality as what you let go, but I don't believe we've got value for money. Not even close. Unlike yourself, I'm not even sure this would be a good League 1 side. That reflects badly on someone.

I don't know who is responsible for our signings. I suspect Paul Heckingbottom doesn't have as much influence in who we bring in as I would like a Barnsley manager to have, but I don't know. For all I know, the players we signed could have been right at the top of Paul's list. The board were happy that they were young with potential resale value, which fits the model we want to adopt, and so they did all they could to secure these signings. Maybe not, I just don't know.

I'm not blaming Paul Heckingbottom because I've no idea how our recruitment process works. But I'm not sure what displeases me the most, selling all our best players in the first place, or using a lot of that money to fund the signing of players who, honest triers they may be, just aren't good enough.

There appears to be a belief that we're sticking to the so called plan, but we're not, we're at the other end of it now. We're the big club who have spent a lot of money on players. The clubs who identified the potential profit, who signed these players when they were young and cheap, are the clubs who sold to us. The profit has already been made and they've got it. We paid top dollar.

 

1000% disagree that we have spent a lot of money.

 

I might chant "you don't know what you're doing" next week but it won't be directed at the manager.

 

I don’t disagree with a lot of that. Whoever was manager and whether they have much of a say over recruitment or not we left ourselves too big a target. Alex Ferguson said that anything over 30 percent success rate in the transfer market is exceptional we got ourselves into the situation where we needed about 90 percent of ours to be successful to just be competitive. It was never going to happen.

I do think

Davies
McCarthy Lindsay Jackson Fryers
Isgrove McGheehan Potts Hammill
Bradshaw and Thiam

Make a good L1 side.

 

Just for context on money spent, we received more money last season for being in the Championship than we did for being in the Premier League. So before we received record transfer fee incomings we had £6 million at least. Then we had large away followings being charged £30 plus.

I’d be amazed if we don’t show a Profit in excess of £10 million last season

 

Well that's a relief, I might actually be on to something!

In all seriousness, do you not believe we've spent money on players, or do you have a different definition on what constitutes 'a lot'?

Don't know the figures but I'm sure we made a very tidy profit.

Doesn't change my opinion that I don't believe we've got value for money from the players we have signed.

 

I’d not disagree on value for money. Perhaps we’d have been better going for players higher up the chain and paying more in wages

 

That does look OK, I agree, although I'd be worried about Isgrove's fitness, while McGeehan and Thiam still have a hell of a lot to prove. Potts, I just can't see what he's got, even for league 1, but I made a post about him the other day and I'm now going to stop criticising him because it does no good.