Contagion film inspired vaccine strategy-Hancock

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  1. Dan

    DannyWilsonLovechild Well-Known Member

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    Its not an anti Con stance at all. It's merely highlighting what this government has done. But maybe your blue/purple tinted glasses prevent you from doing that? ;-)

    You need markets to be able to recover. You need confidence to be able to recover. You need employment to be able recover. Depending on Sunaks budget, we may well be going into Q2 with none of those.
     
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    Cost isn't important anyway it's getting vaccines as soon as possible and we are well on top with that.

     
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    Apparently, we are both too integrated into the EUs market to be able to close the borders effectively, while at the same time being magically able to recover by vaccinating our population while they lag with theirs.

    Our economy won't recover until the economies of the EU also recover, which needs their populations to be vaccinated and working again. Our recovery also depends on the recoveries of USA, China, Switzerland, Japan, Norway, Turkey, India, Canada, Australia, Singapore and South Korea - just in our top 20 trading partners. Only when our economy starts to recover we'll start to see the Brexit damage to our services industries...
     
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    A bit of both - a lot of research when things are interesting/important, good Google skills and a good memory.
     
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    Many other governments have fared better - some more Liberal (NZ), some more right-wing (Australia), some more authoritarian (Hong Kong, Vietnam), some with scientific advisors in places of power (Taiwan). Some have also (arguably) performed worse - USA, Brazil.

    Some countries are also repeating the arguments about the vaccinations - Canada is currently considering (or is) diverting vaccines from provinces that have done really well (PEI) to those that haven't (Ontario) to protect the vulnerable. Some of the EU countries are also going it alone for vaccine procurement - Hungary has bought the Russian Sputnik (and possibly the Chinese equivalent but I haven't seen that confirmed).

    Most of the EU has had lower death rates than the UK, which means that our need to vaccinate is more urgent. However, there are worrying rumours of increasing deaths among care home populations in England that suggests we are not out of the woods yet.
     
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    Whatever. The Rule has stood since 2012. On medical footings protecting your own. The argument doesn’t stand. That Brexit or being in the EU has any bearing on the process.
     
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    As previously posted Here it is again.

    EMA membership wouldn’t affect vaccine rollout
    Boris Johnson said Britain’s vaccine rollout “would still be at the starting blocks” if we were still part of the European Medicines Agency.

    As FactCheck has previously reported, an EU provision passed into UK law in 2012 meant that the government had legal powers to act alone in temporarily authorizing the use of a new vaccine without waiting for the European Medicines Agency to sign it off.

    This was confirmed in statements by the government and the UK’s independent regulator, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency, who said this law was used to approve the Pfizer Covid vaccine unilaterally in December last year, when Britain was still in the Brexit provision period.

    So Britain was still subject to the processes of the European Medicines Agency when the first vaccine was approved, but EU law gave the UK regulatoremergency powers to act alone.



    I believe other countries had similar provisions in law . If not. I will stand corrected on that.

    Another Part of the article. On the link above

    The German health minister, Jens Spahn said yesterday that it was a matter of choice: “We have member states including, Germany, who could have issued such an emergency authorisation if we’d wanted to. But we decided against this and what we opted for was a common European approach to move forward together”.

    let’s just say the German people apparently weren’t pleased and their Government sidestepped the isssue. And put the focus on the uk.
     
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    Our economy is screwed and I feel for Sunak because it cannot be easy for him seeing how soft those above him are when it comes to opening back up.

     
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    I always find it mildly amusing that people like yourself who are so anti-Govt always assume that anyone who does not 100% agree with your political views MUST be a Tory supporter- (the old 'If you are not for us you are against us... mentality)

    Can I remind you that tinted glasses of any colour do allow one to see something of the overall picture whereas, the blinkered vision you seem to have only allows you to see one direction of travel and any peripherals are totally obscured.;)
     
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    What i never find amusing is your inaccurate analysis that is drenched in bias which you continually deny.

    If your first step is to excuse this government rather than highlight it's constant lies and failures, what else would you call that?
     
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    Sunak was one of those responsible for delaying the lockdown when SAGE were asking for one in September - meaning Lockdown 2 was later and longer than it needed to be (1 month instead of 2 weeks) and leading to a lot of unnecessary deaths. He was also one of those whose gambles on the credit markets led to RBS buying ABN Amro and triggering the Credit Crunch in 2008 (while himself linked to a tax avoidance scheme). His omission of almost 3 million self-employed people from furlough (and those who changed jobs in Q1 2020) was also a major oversight - particularly as many of those affected were (at the time) Tory voters.
     
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